"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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The Pedantical

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OK, I tried approaching girls with moderate to poor degree of success, and I had a couple of dates (just first dates, no second dates yet), but here's my problem now...

I'm in my late 20s and only lived on my own for a year. My mom was my dad's first ever girlfriend and they met at 38. My mom only had 1 or 2 boyfriends before. Neither of them had any friends at all. My mom retired after I was born and didn't stay in touch with anyone.
So I grew up alone, like completely isolated from society. No parties, no dinners, no family friends, no relatives to visit, and an overprotective mom who did everything from brushing my teeth to cleaning my clothes to cleaning my genitals (until I was 14-15... she was afraid I wouldn't pull the foreskin and clean it properly so she had to be there and do it herself, which was embarassing as ****)

Anyway so the result is that right now I'm a few years away from 30 and I don't have a minute of job experience and I don't have even one friend I can call or talk to. I don't even have a facebook account because if I did I don't know even one person I could add as a friend on there.

So that's where I got to ask you guys advice... wtf is the best thing I could do now? I mean, how do people normally make friends? I'm virtually unemployable, I made like 100 job applications last year and didn't even get an interview. I'm still sending a bunch out but I feel they throw it in the garbage as soon as they get them.

I signed up for some courses here and there hoping to make friends but at best I made acquaintances... people I say hello to when I meet and then that's it there's no more contact. But that's not what I want, I want friends, I want people I can go out with and party with. Even in college it feels all the groups are already formed and they hang out together and I'm an outsider no matter what group I try to approach and they let me tag along but then ignore me.

Anyway yeah, any suggestions are welcome.

I tried volunteering and I think it was nice, I met some people there too though not anyone that I knew well enough to stay in contact with afterward. Anyway whenever I went it was always different people who were there so there wasn't really much of an occasion to form a real group of friends where I could belong.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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The Pedantical said:
I'm in my late 20s and only lived on my own for a year. My mom was my dad's first ever girlfriend and they met at 38. My mom only had 1 or 2 boyfriends before. Neither of them had any friends at all. My mom retired after I was born and didn't stay in touch with anyone.
Jesus Christ.
 

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Yeah. This is all pretty deep, bro. Not sure us amateurs can really provide much advice aside from "Pump more iron. Talk to more girls."
 

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Mantis Toboggan said:
Yeah. This is all pretty deep, bro. Not sure us amateurs can really provide much advice aside from "Pump more iron. Talk to more girls."
Well, if you have friends how did you meet them? How did you become friends? Like, what's the process from meeting to becoming friends and being part of some group?

That's the kind of thing I need to know. I read a lot of self help books like Dale Carnegie's but they usually assume you already have a social circle so I have a hard time knowing how to apply the advice given.

Anyway, anything you guys might tell me here might end up helping me tremendously... even if it sounds like an obvious thing to you, I might not have thought about it
 

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Well, if you have friends how did you meet them? How did you become friends? Like, what's the process from meeting to becoming friends and being part of some group?

That's the kind of thing I need to know. I read a lot of self help books like Dale Carnegie's but they usually assume you already have a social circle so I have a hard time knowing how to apply the advice given.

Anyway, anything you guys might tell me here might end up helping me tremendously... even if it sounds like an obvious thing to you, I might not have thought about it
First thing you need to understand is that it happens organically. There are certain social rules, but they're hardly set in stone. I met most of my friends in school or when playing for a football team. They in turn introduced me to other people. Can you join some sort of club? Also, chances are you're going to be awkward socially seeing as you never meet someone. I think that you might want to tell people that you're trying to become a more open person, but that it's not easy for you and tell them why. I don't know how it is in the US, but here in Belgium people generally appreciate that sort of stuff and they'll help you out. I know I do anyway.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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The Pedantical said:
Well, if you have friends how did you meet them? How did you become friends? Like, what's the process from meeting to becoming friends and being part of some group?

That's the kind of thing I need to know. I read a lot of self help books like Dale Carnegie's but they usually assume you already have a social circle so I have a hard time knowing how to apply the advice given.
I have different groups of friends.

One group is my work friends...People I met at current or past jobs. Basically, I became friends with them by, basically, being friendly at work. Next thing you know, they're inviting me to come hang with them at happy hour, etc.

I've met friends at my gym. First, we might exchange advice, or ask questions about various workouts. After I've warmed up, I might start talking about women / my social life. After it has been determined that we all like girls, and we all like drinks, then one of us will suggest that we drink together...and find some girls.

Then there are the friends I grew up with. And those relationships were built over years and years.

And a lesser group is girls I used to hook up with. I'm normally pretty good at not burning bridges, so once a hook-up ends, a girl can text me a few months later and ask me to a bar or whatever.

If you're living in a small town...which it sounds like you are....perhaps you should move to a city. More bars. More people. More events. More chances to branch out.
 

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I live in a million-people metropolis... anyway I do work out at the gym but I haven't really talked to anyone there yet, it does sound like a good thing. Bars are fun but I wish I had people going with me, like a group of people and we all go together... when I go to a bar I'm by myself and it's as if everyone else in the bar came with a group or in pairs

I started going to ACDF (adult children) meetings but so far everyone there is like 30 years older than me and all we do is sit around in a circle and tell our sob stories... I don't really see much from it. Joining a club might be the best thing, I haven't really looked at this stuff all that much... I got to take a look
 
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