"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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How to knock the pedastal from under girls?

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No excuses, I know I blame myself as I was always the one initiating everything with girls from friends to those I'm keen on. Since being on this site, I've treated girls I've met differently and it's such a vast difference. They are the ones who initiate now and it's always give and take and not a 1 way street.

But back to my question, so how do I knock the pedastal from under the girls I already know? I've had enough of being the one initiating everything and be it the girls who are just friends to the girls I'm keen on...

Funny thing is once we've caught up, these girls initiate everything from kino to what we are doing. I've just had enough of being the person who has to get the ball rolling.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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You are the one that puts them on the pedestal. It's all in your head.

So, if you want to take them off it, look at them in a different way. See them as humans with flaws, rather than goddesses.

Secondly, treat them differently. Stop being available for them 24/7 etc.

If you think of them differently and treat them differently, then the pedestal will vanish.
 
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JonJaper said:
You are the one that puts them on the pedestal. It's all in your head.

So, if you want to take them off it, look at them in a different way. See them as humans with flaws, rather than goddesses.

Secondly, treat them differently. Stop being available for them 24/7 etc.

If you think of them differently and treat them differently, then the pedestal will vanish.
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Have you ever slept with a female that wasn't a prostitute?
 
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PrettyBoyAJ said:
Have you ever slept with a female that wasn't a prostitute?
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LOL not yet...I'm self-improving first.

Why is that relevant to this topic about pedestals? Or are you just trying to start a flamewar that isn't gonna happen haha.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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JonJaper said:
LOL not yet...I'm self-improving first.

Why is that relevant? Or are you trying to start a flamewar that isn't gonna happen haha.
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Japer was going to say "your mother" but held his peace.
 
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corrector said:
Japer was going to say "your mother" but held his peace.
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I wasn't gonna say that because he asked about a woman who isn't a prostitute LOL j/k.

See PrettyBoyAJ, I can take the low road too.
 
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"How to knock the pedastal from under girls?"

You do that by placing yourself on the pedestal instead.
 
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Because I just recently read your thread in your signature. Was wondering how the progress was coming along.

To answer the OP question: Don't put one on a pedestal in the first place. You should always be looking for a better girl.
 
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PrettyBoyAJ said:
Because I just recently read your thread in your signature. Was wondering how the progress was coming along.

To answer the OP question: Don't put one on a pedestal in the first place. You should always be looking for a better girl.
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LOL ok I thought you were just trolling.

I'm still working on my inner game and hitting the gym, focusing on other areas of my life (studies etc) instead of women, because I know that if I improve other areas of my life, the women will come naturally.

It's only been a month and a 1/2 since my trip to Amsterdam, so if I turned around and said that since then, I've read all the DJBible, book of Pook etc, got muscular and ripped, done hundreds of approaches, number closed, f-closed, changed my inner game/mindset, become a whole new person and a DJ already... that would obviously be BS.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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PrettyBoyAJ said:
Have you ever slept with a female that wasn't a prostitute?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHH!!!:wave:

WHERE THE F$CK DID THAT ONE COME FROM???

HAHAHAHAHA
 
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As long as you're labeling some girls as "hot girls" you will treat them differently. Look at every girl the same way until it becomes part of who you are, and only then will you treat the girls you already know the same as every other person.
 
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AlexDP said:
Yes. Now you go and deal with your issues, you big baby.
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AlexDP, I'm sorry that it's so rare for you to have sex with attractive women that you harbor long term resentment for those who do (my last date being the 6th most attractive of my life, IMO), letting it spill over into Off Topic issues like this. Why don't you grow up and get over it? I seriously think your BPD chick did long term damage.

PS - I was quoting Matthew Fitzgerald in Sexploytation regarding the average American woman being a wh0re.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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