"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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How to give Kino

Doe Boii

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Could someone give examples of appropriate times and ways to give kino to attract a positive response for a girl you're trying to pick up? I mean appropriate time and way like you would use different kino on a girl you already know than a girl you just met in the mall, or something and want to pick up.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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nonchalant

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Google 'the dicarlo escalation ladder' - it's the best explanation of kino escalation i've come across
 

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Shezz said:
Just do it - she's a woman, she LOVES to be touched. Jesus, stop overanalysing human nature and just go with the flow.

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Use a mean pressure of 2 pounds on your fingertips and palms combined when kinoing.

Do not go past one third the maximum of the sagittal plane when examining. Avoid covering your hands with any hydrocarbons or ionic substances prior to examination. And remember to cover yourself with some aromatic solutions prior to encounter to increase the rosponse from the subject.
 

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Call_Me_Daddy said:
Use a mean pressure of 2 pounds on your fingertips and palms combined when kinoing.

Do not go past one third the maximum of the sagittal plane when examining. Avoid covering your hands with any hydrocarbons or ionic substances prior to examination. And remember to cover yourself with some aromatic solutions prior to encounter to increase the rosponse from the subject.

MADE OF WIN :up:
 

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Shezz said:
Actually dude. You probably just re-phrased the original post in a more 'intelligent' way haha! Awesome.

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What. You mean talking and interacting with people is not like defusing a bomb?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Why should it be? Defusing a bomb takes years of experience, not just anyone can do it, and you have to look at every possiblity of how she's hooked up. Kino, at least it's a natural aspect of life and you already got the tools in hand (ahaha..) to fire away. Best thing is? The same Kino works time and time again once you know how she's hooked up.

So my friend, you aren't going to be a bomb defuser when you grow up, sorry to crush the inner child. (I think it's best for you though)
 

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Shezz said:
Just do it - she's a woman, she LOVES to be touched. Jesus, stop overanalysing human nature and just go with the flow.

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No offence but you're 20 and maybe, just maybe you still have a bit to learn.

My take on this is : let her initiate it, it will be a good indicator of her level of interest and attraction to you.

Kino during a street PU for instance is a no-go as you're intruding her intimacy zone too fast.

Plus, if you're forcing yourself to do it it will come across as creepy.

I personnally do close to zero kino on Day 1 if I meet the girl in any place other than a bar or a club because "No kino is better than terrible kino"

A friend of mine and famous seduction coach also follows the No-kino-until-she-initiates-it rule and has a track record similar to mine to back it up.
 

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Blusher said:
No offence but you're 20 and maybe, just maybe you still have a bit to learn.

My take on this is : let her initiate it, it will be a good indicator of her level of interest and attraction to you.

Kino during a street PU for instance is a no-go as you're intruding her intimacy zone too fast.

Plus, if you're forcing yourself to do it it will come across as creepy.

I personnally do close to zero kino on Day 1 if I meet the girl in any place other than a bar or a club because "No kino is better than terrible kino"

A friend of mine and famous seduction coach also follows the No-kino-until-she-initiates-it rule and has a track record similar to mine to back it up.

No, no, no. Sorry but this just doesn't work. A LOT of women will not kino you first, especially when sober. My last two f-closes neither girl kinoed me AT ALL prior to escalation to the seduction location. Yet, they both went upstairs to "meet my cat" willingly and gave zero LMR the whole way. If I was waiting for IOIs I would have lost both. Waiting for IOIs is AFC - it is your job to escalate. I learned this the hard way and once I stopped giving a rip about IOIs my game turned 180.

Waiting for IOIs will cost you a lot of closes. Its always on unless it is firmly stated otherwise.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Look, it all depends, there are no cut and dry rules with kino.

One thing you do need to understand it needs to be integrated with a lot more. It CANNOT work independantly of a lot of other things.

Imagine trying to kino when conversation is awkward, when you have weak eye contact, when your body language is all ****ed up, when you are all nervous. It aint gonna work. Its going to backfire.

Anyway lets just assume you have the rest of your **** together. Kino should be natural from the beginning. There should be opportunity to touch naturally. Shake hands when you meet; when you hand her something, touch her hand; when you are going somewhere, indicate where to go with touch not words; when passing her gently place a hand on her as you pass; when sharing a joke slap her leg with amusement, when she is telling you something of emotional content place a hand on her in a comforting way; when she teases you wrestle her, when you disagree grab her in a fake attack...

Just do it in a natural and casual way. If she touches back you'll know to escalate. If she moves away or seems awkward, I'd cut that **** out.

JJ
 

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Grab her ass or you can even shove your hands in her panties.
 
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