"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
How to get a girl to have a threesome.
- Thread starter Georgio
- Start date
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Its much easier if you get with a bi chic and her bi girlfriend.
I hang out with this bi girl, she's cute and sorta hoodrat'ish. But i'm trying to work the angle with her blonde bi friend.
Two bi chics, plus you, plus alcohol equals threesome.
I've made out with both of them at the same time sorta, but nothing happened because we didn't have anything to drink.
I hang out with this bi girl, she's cute and sorta hoodrat'ish. But i'm trying to work the angle with her blonde bi friend.
Two bi chics, plus you, plus alcohol equals threesome.
I've made out with both of them at the same time sorta, but nothing happened because we didn't have anything to drink.
Hunterchilla
Don Juan
this girl " really likes me in the LTR kinda way " but she said she has made out with a friend before would it be wrong for me to get a three some going? or can it make make her see that im in it for the sex and not the relationship with her? will she find it offensive? if i push for it?
Something that has worked for me in several situations was taught to me by a PUA friend.
You get both girls alone (preferably sitting a blanket on the floor, etc). Mention that this friend of yours who is a holistic healer (or shaman, or whatever) had you receive a two on one massage.
Tell them he promised it would balance your 'energies' by being able to draw on the superior balances of two people (instead of one person's possible energy difficencies.)
Get one girl (probably the one who wants the LTR) and have her lay down first. You and the other girl start massaging her. When that is done, get the other girl to lay down (try to get the shirt off at some point, but no big deal yet. Then, unabashedly start kissing the girl your massaging with..the other will join in most likely.
Don't apologize for wanting sex or a threesome. The only difference between a LTR girl and a HB at this point is if you call her after the sex. Don't push though..let it happen. Make it a "new experience". lol Tell her that if she objects.
I've also been told this exact scenario is in this book "The Game." I haven't checked it out yet, but maybe that's where my friend got it.
You get both girls alone (preferably sitting a blanket on the floor, etc). Mention that this friend of yours who is a holistic healer (or shaman, or whatever) had you receive a two on one massage.
Tell them he promised it would balance your 'energies' by being able to draw on the superior balances of two people (instead of one person's possible energy difficencies.)
Get one girl (probably the one who wants the LTR) and have her lay down first. You and the other girl start massaging her. When that is done, get the other girl to lay down (try to get the shirt off at some point, but no big deal yet. Then, unabashedly start kissing the girl your massaging with..the other will join in most likely.
Don't apologize for wanting sex or a threesome. The only difference between a LTR girl and a HB at this point is if you call her after the sex. Don't push though..let it happen. Make it a "new experience". lol Tell her that if she objects.
I've also been told this exact scenario is in this book "The Game." I haven't checked it out yet, but maybe that's where my friend got it.
mahon83050
Banned
Interesting, I bet MOST guys do not ever get to experience a threesome though...although I am sure it is most guys #1 fantasy!!
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Distant Light
Master Don Juan
Well it is possible as some guys in the community has gotten 3somes fairly easily there was one way i had read about that many people have used.
Don't know the exact thing but basically 2 girls you previously "gamed" or one girl and her friend. You get her to give you a backrub and tell the other girl to help massage. Then you make one of the girls get a massage while the other helps too. Then as the sexual tension is in the air. Start kissing one and then the other then get them to kiss (if you want) and then everything just happens.
Of course there are other things that suppose to be in place in order for this to work but i don't remember.
Don't know the exact thing but basically 2 girls you previously "gamed" or one girl and her friend. You get her to give you a backrub and tell the other girl to help massage. Then you make one of the girls get a massage while the other helps too. Then as the sexual tension is in the air. Start kissing one and then the other then get them to kiss (if you want) and then everything just happens.
Of course there are other things that suppose to be in place in order for this to work but i don't remember.
Ok I'm bringing this subject up again cause I did a search and had a similar question.
I've had a threesome, and believe it or not, one was a virgin! The only reason is because we were all REALLY drunk, the virgin was insecure and had liked me for a while, and the other girl was a girl I pretty much f*cked with at every party she showed up to. Not including tag teaming, this is my only threesome experiance that led to sex.
My advice to add: I started with drunk dancing alone with major double grinding then make out session with both, then after slowly lifting up (like an extreme tease a bit over the bra) the more experianced girl's shirt, and she took off her shirt and sort of nudged her towards the bed and she layed down. I did the same to the other girl a bit more forcefully (like pulling her towards me while I layed down) and they both got on top while I just layed back and enjoyed the fun. (always enter a room with two drunk girls grinding!!)
Thanks for the massage thing, I might try that since this time one girl is my ex that wants me (trust me I won't chump after hooking up with her again) and the other is her best friend.
If I get them both back to my apartment after the club I'm going to try explaining the new experiance after the double massage, maybe throwing in my own move before it.
Wish me luck...
I've had a threesome, and believe it or not, one was a virgin! The only reason is because we were all REALLY drunk, the virgin was insecure and had liked me for a while, and the other girl was a girl I pretty much f*cked with at every party she showed up to. Not including tag teaming, this is my only threesome experiance that led to sex.
My advice to add: I started with drunk dancing alone with major double grinding then make out session with both, then after slowly lifting up (like an extreme tease a bit over the bra) the more experianced girl's shirt, and she took off her shirt and sort of nudged her towards the bed and she layed down. I did the same to the other girl a bit more forcefully (like pulling her towards me while I layed down) and they both got on top while I just layed back and enjoyed the fun. (always enter a room with two drunk girls grinding!!)
Thanks for the massage thing, I might try that since this time one girl is my ex that wants me (trust me I won't chump after hooking up with her again) and the other is her best friend.
If I get them both back to my apartment after the club I'm going to try explaining the new experiance after the double massage, maybe throwing in my own move before it.
Wish me luck...
Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
If you are trying to convince a gf, you have to be careful not to push her jealousy buttons too much when it happens. This is her experience, not yours. And please, learn from my mistake, if it is gf + hb and gf gets up to go to the bathroom, *don't* be making out with hb when gf walks back into the room. This pushes the jealousy buttons in the wrong way. You want gf to think that this is all about her, not an excuse for you to bang a random hb.
penkitten
Master Don Juan
step one: find 2 bi girls who already seem to know each other
step two: just do them
step three: go home and watch espn
step two: just do them
step three: go home and watch espn
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
ER!C L!VE
Master Don Juan
by Style
Foolproof way for getting threesomes, as used by Rick S, Style, Mystery, jlaix and chessclub. Everyone, really.
Some of you may have pieced this together already from Jlaix and Chessclub's FRs, but here, for the archives and for posterity, is the step-by-step Dual Induction Massage Sure-Fire Threesome Routine, with credit given where credit is due.
This to me is the biggest breakthrough I've had in the last year. Once you cross this barrier (as Jlaix knows), there's no going back. It changes your whole PU life. No longer are you going out trying to just get a LR, but to bring two of the right women together for a dual induction massage.
This all began one night at the ProHo mansion, when an FB was over and an MLTR did a drop-by. I was in Herbal's room, sitting there with them both vibing each other, trying to figure out what to do.
I went outside and talked to Mystery, and asked him which girl I should get rid of.
Fortunately, Mystery had just been at David D's DYD seminar. And a gentleman there by the name of Rick S. (not to be confused with Rick H.) had talked about getting threesomes by having two girls massage him at the same time. We looked into Herbal's room, at the two of them talking, and Mystery suggested a couple tactics. I decided, what the ****, I had nothing to lose.
I took them both up to my room to watch a fun home video clips that I was in. We all lay on the bed, and watched it.
So, here are the steps, once you have them on your bed. Of course, make sure the lights are low and the mood is romantic and comfortable, without being an obvious seduction/plan.
STEP ONE: Tell them, genuinely, "I just experienced the most amazing thing. I went to San Diego and hung out with my friend Steve, who's like a guru and a shaman, and an amazing guy. And he had two of his students perform a dual induction massage on me. Their hands were moving in perfect synchronization on me, and because your conscious mind can't follow all those movements, it just disconnects and you feel like there are thousands of hands on you. It was amazing."
[This is true: It was an amazing gift from Steve P., one of the really great and powerful guys I've met through this community.]
Now, ideally, the HB getting the massage should be the one who would get the most jealous. She needs to get the attention first to feel comfortable. Also, to make sure this goes smoothly, it's best if this is someone you've *closed or !closed before. It's best to leave her shirt ON, and just do it over the shirt.
Next, tell the HB who's doing the massaging that she must follow your hand movements exactly and move in exact synchronization. (I'd recommend taking a seminar in Swedish massage to learn how to do a nice backrub; if you're in NY, try the Open Center; anywhere else, just do a Learning Annex course.)
STEP TWO: Next, say it's your turn. Take off your shirt, and lie on your stomach. And definitely show appreciation for what they are doing.
STEP THREE: Afterward, say that it's the third girl's turn. Help her out of her shirt, or ask her to take off her **** while she's facing away from you (if she's shy), and have her lie on her stomach.
On this girl, you can make the massage more erotic. Go around the breasts and butt and thighs, WITHOUT actually touching any private parts.
STEP FOUR: Now this is the key move. After you finish the massage, let her lay there on her stomach underneath you and the other girl. Pause a moment to build up a touch of tension, then start making out passionately with the other girl (the one who was just doing the massaging with you) over the back of the girl lying down.
Now, just gently turn the face of the girl lying down towards you. Kiss her. Then gently take the head of the other girl and bring it DOWN to the face of the girl lying on her stomach. If you've created the mood properly, they'll just automatically start kissing. Join in for a threeway makeout, and it's all over.
YOU have to be a conductor, and orchestrate everything. Turn over the girl who was being massaged last, and each take a breast. Then switch off girls. Then roll away and watch them go at it. Then get back in there and help them remove some clothes. Etc. Etc.
However, this can NOT be about your pleasure. In the majority of cases, you are providing an excuse for the girls to get together. So if one of the girls is an MLTR or primary or main FB, make sure that it's all about HER pleasure. You need to calibrate the comfort level of each girl the whole time. If you start trying to be a porn star too quickly or making it all about you (or making it too explicit where the massage is heading), this could backfire. That said, since I first figured it out (with respect to Rick S., Mystery, and Steve P), it hasn't failed once. (Though there have been occasions where the energy wasn't right to go into this dual induction massage.)
Feel free to post with any follow-up questions...
Style
Foolproof way for getting threesomes, as used by Rick S, Style, Mystery, jlaix and chessclub. Everyone, really.
Some of you may have pieced this together already from Jlaix and Chessclub's FRs, but here, for the archives and for posterity, is the step-by-step Dual Induction Massage Sure-Fire Threesome Routine, with credit given where credit is due.
This to me is the biggest breakthrough I've had in the last year. Once you cross this barrier (as Jlaix knows), there's no going back. It changes your whole PU life. No longer are you going out trying to just get a LR, but to bring two of the right women together for a dual induction massage.
This all began one night at the ProHo mansion, when an FB was over and an MLTR did a drop-by. I was in Herbal's room, sitting there with them both vibing each other, trying to figure out what to do.
I went outside and talked to Mystery, and asked him which girl I should get rid of.
Fortunately, Mystery had just been at David D's DYD seminar. And a gentleman there by the name of Rick S. (not to be confused with Rick H.) had talked about getting threesomes by having two girls massage him at the same time. We looked into Herbal's room, at the two of them talking, and Mystery suggested a couple tactics. I decided, what the ****, I had nothing to lose.
I took them both up to my room to watch a fun home video clips that I was in. We all lay on the bed, and watched it.
So, here are the steps, once you have them on your bed. Of course, make sure the lights are low and the mood is romantic and comfortable, without being an obvious seduction/plan.
STEP ONE: Tell them, genuinely, "I just experienced the most amazing thing. I went to San Diego and hung out with my friend Steve, who's like a guru and a shaman, and an amazing guy. And he had two of his students perform a dual induction massage on me. Their hands were moving in perfect synchronization on me, and because your conscious mind can't follow all those movements, it just disconnects and you feel like there are thousands of hands on you. It was amazing."
[This is true: It was an amazing gift from Steve P., one of the really great and powerful guys I've met through this community.]
Now, ideally, the HB getting the massage should be the one who would get the most jealous. She needs to get the attention first to feel comfortable. Also, to make sure this goes smoothly, it's best if this is someone you've *closed or !closed before. It's best to leave her shirt ON, and just do it over the shirt.
Next, tell the HB who's doing the massaging that she must follow your hand movements exactly and move in exact synchronization. (I'd recommend taking a seminar in Swedish massage to learn how to do a nice backrub; if you're in NY, try the Open Center; anywhere else, just do a Learning Annex course.)
STEP TWO: Next, say it's your turn. Take off your shirt, and lie on your stomach. And definitely show appreciation for what they are doing.
STEP THREE: Afterward, say that it's the third girl's turn. Help her out of her shirt, or ask her to take off her **** while she's facing away from you (if she's shy), and have her lie on her stomach.
On this girl, you can make the massage more erotic. Go around the breasts and butt and thighs, WITHOUT actually touching any private parts.
STEP FOUR: Now this is the key move. After you finish the massage, let her lay there on her stomach underneath you and the other girl. Pause a moment to build up a touch of tension, then start making out passionately with the other girl (the one who was just doing the massaging with you) over the back of the girl lying down.
Now, just gently turn the face of the girl lying down towards you. Kiss her. Then gently take the head of the other girl and bring it DOWN to the face of the girl lying on her stomach. If you've created the mood properly, they'll just automatically start kissing. Join in for a threeway makeout, and it's all over.
YOU have to be a conductor, and orchestrate everything. Turn over the girl who was being massaged last, and each take a breast. Then switch off girls. Then roll away and watch them go at it. Then get back in there and help them remove some clothes. Etc. Etc.
However, this can NOT be about your pleasure. In the majority of cases, you are providing an excuse for the girls to get together. So if one of the girls is an MLTR or primary or main FB, make sure that it's all about HER pleasure. You need to calibrate the comfort level of each girl the whole time. If you start trying to be a porn star too quickly or making it all about you (or making it too explicit where the massage is heading), this could backfire. That said, since I first figured it out (with respect to Rick S., Mystery, and Steve P), it hasn't failed once. (Though there have been occasions where the energy wasn't right to go into this dual induction massage.)
Feel free to post with any follow-up questions...
Style
ethnomethodologist
Master Don Juan
Acks I could pull a rasputin with the first technique. The style style though, that is one that's going to take some balls
Thanks!!!
Thanks!!!