"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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TheTraveller

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The girl I'm currently dating seems very interested. We've been on 3 great dates, f-closed on date 3 and looking to get to know this girl more and have fun. Don't get me wrong, when we're together everything is awesome.

She always answers my calls (or will return my call) in which I set up a date. This is not the problem.

The problem is she has not been as forward as some other girls I've dated in the past. Other girls have given their own suggestions for dates occasionally, have called occasionally and especially around or after the 3rd date.

She was over last night into this morning. Should I call her tonight just to check in with the usual post-first-time-f-close-with-new girl call (and is this necessary if they spent the next morning until about noon with me?) ? Should I hold off on calling to see if she initiates? Should I suggest to her when calling her tonight that *she should call me* in a few days and suggest a 4th date spot?

This one's worthy of pursuing by I don't know why or if she's holding back.

cheers,
-t
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Scaramouche

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Dear Traveller,
Be grateful for what you got,relax try not to be controlling and there will be plenty more.....When you have something to do she might find interesting,just ring and tell her what you are doing anyhow,ask if she wants to tag along......for the first few dates try and avoid the impression that involvement with you implies ending in svx.
 

jophil28

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TheTraveller said:
The girl I'm currently dating seems very interested. We've been on 3 great dates, f-closed on date 3 and looking to get to know this girl more and have fun. Don't get me wrong, when we're together everything is awesome.

She always answers my calls (or will return my call) in which I set up a date. This is not the problem.

The problem is she has not been as forward as some other girls I've dated in the past. Other girls have given their own suggestions for dates occasionally, have called occasionally and especially around or after the 3rd date.

She was over last night into this morning. Should I call her tonight just to check in with the usual post-first-time-f-close-with-new girl call (and is this necessary if they spent the next morning until about noon with me?) ? Should I hold off on calling to see if she initiates? Should I suggest to her when calling her tonight that *she should call me* in a few days and suggest a 4th date spot?

This one's worthy of pursuing by I don't know why or if she's holding back.

cheers,
-t
All that agonizing about whether you should call her tonight ot not, and whether she SHOULD be calling you and offering date suggestions is just PUA static.
All girls behave differently in many ways, BUT most behave similarly after the first F close.. It is a mistake to "track" women and analyse their behavior when their behavior is benefiting you, and an even bigger mistake to believe that you need to "work" at dating.

Your mission is to quit agonising and just continue to be the guy who got her juices flowing in the first place - just keep doing more of what you have been doing.
 

TheTraveller

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jophil28 said:
All that agonizing about whether you should call her tonight ot not, and whether she SHOULD be calling you and offering date suggestions is just PUA static.
All girls behave differently in many ways, BUT most behave similarly after the first F close.. It is a mistake to "track" women and analyse their behavior when their behavior is benefiting you, and an even bigger mistake to believe that you need to "work" at dating.

Your mission is to quit agonising and just continue to be the guy who got her juices flowing in the first place - just keep doing more of what you have been doing.
I hear ya, jophil. What I've been doing is actually not work at all. But what's this about most behaving similarly after the first F close? What does that mean? She seemed pretty much the same after the first makeout session as she did after the first f-close (yes, she did have fun in bed) in terms of her personality and how she acted around me.

-t
 

jophil28

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TheTraveller said:
But what's this about most behaving similarly after the first F close? What does that mean? She seemed pretty much the same after the first makeout session as she did after the first f-close (yes, she did have fun in bed) in terms of her personality and how she acted around me.

-t

Think on this -
You and she go out on a few dates, and then F her around date 2/3/4 . At this point most women have sky high IL in you. You have her in the palm of your hand (so to speak ) .She is strongly attracted to you because of who you are and what she sees in you - your behavior, your manner, your "ways" , your social value and so on .

And what happens next is that most guys start to 'think and worry' about how to hook her without realizing she is YOUR'S to have already.
The next thing they do is to start to act as if she is about to get away .
So their behavior changes from 'intriguing, cool guy' to ' people pleasing predictable boring guy'.

Two months later he gets LJBF'ed .
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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TheTraveller

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Scaramouche said:
Dear Traveller,
Be grateful for what you got,relax try not to be controlling and there will be plenty more.....When you have something to do she might find interesting,just ring and tell her what you are doing anyhow,ask if she wants to tag along......for the first few dates try and avoid the impression that involvement with you implies ending in svx.
how would trying to avoid the impression that dates end in svx be a good method of approach? Does anybody have any 4th date ideas that do not involve dinner or outdoor hikes or a DVD which were essentially our first 3 (excellent) dates? I was thinking something competitive and active but it's freaking cold and winter here. Skating is out of the question. Dancing maybe but it'd be odd on a one on one 4th date I'd think.
 
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