"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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How the hell do you get laid in college?

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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You don't have to join a frat as others have mentioned, as it's not necessary, but it certainly will make things easier. There are girls who will hook up with you literally just because you are in that frat. Of course, the quality is different among the different frats so you definitely need to do your research first.

As a junior though you are running out of time. You might get an easier pledgeship as an upper-classmen, but depending on what university you go to... be prepared for one of the hardest things you will ever have to do in your life.
 

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Lol Doctor you're scaring me man
 

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JackBauer24 said:
If you live on campus in the university, you will meet women and get laid. You're living together with them. No bs phone games, and they don't have other prospects unless they have some AFC long-distance boyfriend. You're they're option. Unless you're butt-ugly, which you probably aren't, even if you're shy, you'll meet girls.
This isn't true mate. I've been racking my brains out for 3 years trying to figure out why me and everyone I knew got nothing at uni. I then got to know a 6' 1" black guy rugby player and a few of his white friends, they are single and sexless too. It actually made me feel a lot better, sadly. :-|
 

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So now I can talk to anybody, I still don't have a clue what to talk about or how to bridge the gap between acquaintance and friend.
to put things in perspective, you're way ahead of some of the other guys posting because you've gotten rid of the approach anxiety. now all you gotta do is figure out what you're doing wrong and fix it (which will happen naturally if you're putting yourself out there regularly)

some ideas on how to make friends from acquaintances
- find a common interest (could be anything from an activity to a way of looking at the world)
- make sure you have a positive attitude when you're socializing (people want to be around people who bring them up, not make them feel miserable)
- have a giving, selfless mindset instead of one that's focused on what you can get from other people. have empathy for other peoples' problems, listen proactively, care genuinely
- open up and share the things that make you human (likes, dreams, fears, opinions, passions, whatever)

there are a ton of tips and I'm just throwing some out. I don't know specifically what you're lacking because I've never seen you socialize

once you can get in the friend zone a few times, you'll realize there's a space prior to becoming a friend where anything goes. this is where you'll run your attraction game later if you don't want things to be platonic

and college is the best place to meet women because the social atmosphere never stops. practice
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Jitterbug said:
Why "some time"? Asking that just sounds weak and will likely get an awkward response, i.e a no, because it's pretty obvious that he's asking them out in a weak way. I used to ask similar questions and they never worked, or I'd just get flakes.
the reason why i use "sometime" is you just want to give her the idea that you want to have coffee with her..doesn't matter what time. If a girl wants to have coffee with you/interested, she'll say "yeah". The problem with asking her right after class is most of the time, she has to meet up with a group, study, work on a project, go to another class..many things she might be doing after class. So if you ask her for coffee right after class, she might be busy, and you might take that excuse as a rejection, when she really has to do something else..when asking sometime, you're really asking her if she'd EVER want to have coffee with you, so you know she's interested, now all you have to do is figure out a time when you're both free :up:
 

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Maxtro said:
Hmm so you are suggesting taking them out to coffee relatively soon after meeting them. Thats an interesting concept. When is the best time to ask? Start, middle or towards the end of class?
i try to get to class 5-10 minutes before it starts and sit next to a hottie and start talking to her. Most of the time, they are very friendly and open to talk..just get her comfortable in 5-10 minutes then just say we should have coffee sometime, if she says "yes", then say how about after class? or you can just get rapport before class starts, then when you're leaving ask her if she wants to have coffee..the problem with asking for a specific time is that most of the time, she's gonna be busy and you'll take that as a rejection, when in reality, she really has to do study etc..asking her sometime, let's you know if she's interested or not. I don't see how asking "sometime" will make her say no.:confused: if she's interested, shell want to come anytime.
 

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my community college sounds similar to yours, in that it's dead and the fact that I'm gonna be at a new school in August too. All I gotta say is, if you really want action now like u said, practice the socializing and you'll be more confident.
 

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Tear Gas said:
the reason why i use "sometime" is you just want to give her the idea that you want to have coffee with her..doesn't matter what time. If a girl wants to have coffee with you/interested, she'll say "yeah". The problem with asking her right after class is most of the time, she has to meet up with a group, study, work on a project, go to another class..many things she might be doing after class. So if you ask her for coffee right after class, she might be busy, and you might take that excuse as a rejection, when she really has to do something else..when asking sometime, you're really asking her if she'd EVER want to have coffee with you, so you know she's interested, now all you have to do is figure out a time when you're both free :up:
Of course half of the time she might be busy, and you might get a no, but if she's interested, she will make some alternative arrangement. It's never a rejection until she explicitly says NO to your romantic advances. This is just an invitation to go out for coffee. Not a big deal.
 

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Jitterbug said:
Why would anyone hate a person who likes him/her? As long as you don't behave like a stalker, you'll be fine. F'in hell, men like women and women like men. That's natural and there's nothing to be ashamed of.
Thats what I experienced from elementary school all throughout high school. That shit is still affecting me today. I know girls are more mature now then when they were young but I'm still scared.
Jitterbug said:
Practice, practice, practice. Starting with a Hi is the most popular way and there's nothing wrong with that.

Acquire as many hobbies and interests as you can, then you'll have plenty to talk about.
A smile and a Hi is easy but it can't get you very far unless you know how to connect the dots. I can't exactly say, "Hi, do you have any hobbies?" But I do know that a good way to get people to open up is to ask them what they have planned or what they did on the weekend.

I do need to get more hobbies. Right now most of my time is spent in my room either on my computer or playing video games. I did pick up a copy of dance dance revolution which is surprisingly fun and a good workout. But even that is probably too nerdy to mention to girls. I workout in the school gym 3 times a week and I like to run when the weather is good. I'm just starting to learn guitar so I guess that counts as a hobby now. When I start going to a college in SoCal I'm going to pick up surfing.
Last Man Standing said:
Your frame of mind is not right! Men don't get laid (are you a woman?) - laid is a passive state - men are not passive, we are the aggressors - we lay women - thus women get laid!!!!! Unless you are a pervert then never use that word!! Get the language, your frame of mind, right!!!
That actually makes since. I guess I am waiting for a girl to pick me up and make the moves on me. I've actually had that happen a few times but the girls were about twice my size. I'm the one who needs to go out and get what he wants.
Bible_Belt said:
I still don't have a clue what to talk about or how to bridge the gap between acquaintance and friend.

Common ground is the answer. You have to have something in common, or else there is no reason to talk. Dealing with women is the common ground we share here, which is fueling this conversation. Find something you both like, then you have something to talk about and a reason to meet outside of school.
Here's a question. There is a chick that I'm after that likes to surf and go hiking. I would like to learn how to surf. I would like to somehow get us both on the beach but that seems a bit too complicated. She's talked about how she likes to go hiking. I'm thinking about asking her where she goes so I can check the place out or maybe suggest that we go together.

I don't plan on joining a frat. I'm going to be 27 when I start a university.
ready123 said:
to put things in perspective, you're way ahead of some of the other guys posting because you've gotten rid of the approach anxiety. now all you gotta do is figure out what you're doing wrong and fix it (which will happen naturally if you're putting yourself out there regularly)

some ideas on how to make friends from acquaintances
- find a common interest (could be anything from an activity to a way of looking at the world)
- make sure you have a positive attitude when you're socializing (people want to be around people who bring them up, not make them feel miserable)
- have a giving, selfless mindset instead of one that's focused on what you can get from other people. have empathy for other peoples' problems, listen proactively, care genuinely
- open up and share the things that make you human (likes, dreams, fears, opinions, passions, whatever)

there are a ton of tips and I'm just throwing some out. I don't know specifically what you're lacking because I've never seen you socialize

once you can get in the friend zone a few times, you'll realize there's a space prior to becoming a friend where anything goes. this is where you'll run your attraction game later if you don't want things to be platonic

and college is the best place to meet women because the social atmosphere never stops. practice
I constantly try to do everything you pointed out. Most of that stuff is common knowledge for me. I can get in the friendzone if I am able to spend enough time with the person. But getting in the friendzone is not something that is desired. The part that I'm missing is the thing that makes her want to spend time with me once class is over.

The attraction game is my sticking point and I don't know how to pull that off in a 10 minute window before or after class.

I'll practice the suggesting coffee something thing, I'd also need to be getting phone numbers.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Maxtro said:
I don't plan on joining a frat. I'm going to be 27 when I start a university.

I constantly try to do everything you pointed out. Most of that stuff is common knowledge for me. I can get in the friendzone if I am able to spend enough time with the person. But getting in the friendzone is not something that is desired. The part that I'm missing is the thing that makes her want to spend time with me once class is over.

The attraction game is my sticking point and I don't know how to pull that off in a 10 minute window before or after class.

I'll practice the suggesting coffee something thing, I'd also need to be getting phone numbers.

27 when you start University? What did you do between 18 and 26?

Maxtro, you must have ADD or not pay attention to what you are reading on here. You say "the attraction game is my sticking point and I don't know how to pull that off." Let me ask you: Why would a girl what to sleep with you and let you see her naked? Give us 2 good reasons.
 

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Last Man Standing said:
The Homo Devil hates truth, and he cries out in anguish!! Die Devil!! DIE!!!
just a word of advice: when the big men in white coats finally come to take you away, they're just there to help, don't be afraid.
 

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DonJuan11 said:
27 when you start University? What did you do between 18 and 26?

Maxtro, you must have ADD or not pay attention to what you are reading on here. You say "the attraction game is my sticking point and I don't know how to pull that off." Let me ask you: Why would a girl what to sleep with you and let you see her naked? Give us 2 good reasons.
I actually started Jr. college when I was 19. That was in the fall, a few months after I graduated. I've been basically going to Jr. college nonstop since then. Obviously I didn't do that well. I've never been a good student. For most of my life I've been battling depression. I was a "D" student from 1-12 and most of Jr. college. I only passed about half the classes I enrolled in. But I did pass half of my classes and once I realized that I can actually go away to college and live on my own. Just recently like in 2007 I decided to get my act together and I have actually been doing pretty good. But yeah most of my early twenties was wasted, and I wasn't partying or banging chicks either :(

Why would a girl want to sleep with me?

1. I have a pretty cool, fun, laid back personality when I can finally relax and open up to people. (Women say they are attracted to a guy's personality)

2. My body is better than the average males. I'm really starting to see results after I've been working out for a while. (No doubt women are attracted to a nice body)
 

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Maxtro said:
The part that I'm missing is the thing that makes her want to spend time with me once class is over.

The attraction game is my sticking point and I don't know how to pull that off in a 10 minute window before or after class.

I'll practice the suggesting coffee something thing, I'd also need to be getting phone numbers.
yeah if the logistics don't work, change them. 10 mins is hard for anyone developing skills to get results unless you've been stacking attraction game for 10 mins a day. walk the girl to her car, ask if she wants to get coffee, if it's lunch invite her to get a bite to eat. find something you think is genuinely interesting about her and feed off it. if the convo is on point and she's having fun, the logistics will bend in your favor anyway

also sounds like you found several sticking points from opener to inner game. good luck and have fun w/ it.
 

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ready123 said:
yeah if the logistics don't work, change them. 10 mins is hard for anyone developing skills to get results unless you've been stacking attraction game for 10 mins a day. walk the girl to her car, ask if she wants to get coffee, if it's lunch invite her to get a bite to eat. find something you think is genuinely interesting about her and feed off it. if the convo is on point and she's having fun, the logistics will bend in your favor anyway

also sounds like you found several sticking points from opener to inner game. good luck and have fun w/ it.
Thats exactly what I've been trying to do with one girl. This is the second semester that we are in a class together. What sucks now is that there are two other guys who are talking to her. Last year it was pretty much just me. And yeah I move way too slowly. I basically got a second chance, but now there is competition.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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If you live at college, the easy answer is go to a party and start talking to drunk chicks, this will get even the shyest guy comfortable because most drunk chicks LOVE to talk (especially about themselves) when theyre wasted. Then while youre displaying your social values with those girls, keep your peripherals open for a chick you REALLY wanna talk to and make sure she sees you around those chicks.
 

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Haha man you gotta stop being like me, Maxtro. Don't say "I'm waiting until I move to pick up x-activity."

Do something now.

Also, your leaving the school soon, and even if you don't have the balls to go all out on gaming chicks this year (you are a junior right?), then next year, go balls deep and approach, open, and attempt to game EVERY single cute chick that crosses your path. You won't see their assés again.

But just talk to the chicks man. And even if you are too scared to work kino or other tactics in your arsenal during your gaming, at least put your hand on her shoulder, smile and say "i'll catch ya later" when you leave. Its a start.
 

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JackBauer24 said:
If you live on campus in the university, you will meet women and get laid. You're living together with them. No bs phone games, and they don't have other prospects unless they have some AFC long-distance boyfriend. You're they're option. Unless you're butt-ugly, which you probably aren't, even if you're shy, you'll meet girls.
Not true at all. No other prospects? Try every other male on campus. And the most attractive girls are usually already taken to begin with.

Meeting girls is one thing, but there is no guarentee about getting laid. I'm above average in looks and conduct myself pretty well, I'm well liked and have lots of friends, often see plenty of IOIs and # close, I go on this site and understand the do's and don'ts, and still can't get laid for sh1t at a University.
 

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"So, what are y'all doing for Mardi Gras this Tuesday" (it really is this Tuesday). Repeat for St. Paddy's Day and Cinco De Mayo. Its the trifecta of Spring in college. Or crash any party in the neighborhood around campus....honestly I stopped doing this after freshman year though...that's for people who don't know anyone.

Or you can just say "hi, what's going on". Eventually you'll see that girl sitting down for lunch by herself at the cafeteria or in line getting coffee or whatever.

Also study where the girls study. Study in the cafeteria, in the coffee shop, in the middle of the quad. Just don't study in your room or some isolated area. The more people see you out and about the more familiar you'll be.

How many friends do you have there at school? Sounds like you need to make more in general. Start going to the gym and playing basketball, I made a ton of friends that way, got into parties, even made friends with guys on the basketball team and crap. From there, got invited to the parties, parties with lots of girls (who for some reason dig the basketball team) and voila.
 

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Maxtro said:
Why would a girl want to sleep with me?

1. I have a pretty cool, fun, laid back personality when I can finally relax and open up to people. (Women say they are attracted to a guy's personality)

2. My body is better than the average males. I'm really starting to see results after I've been working out for a while. (No doubt women are attracted to a nice body)

(1) I don't think you do, since you obviously can't attract simple girls at the University. You are even having trouble thinking of what to talk about to a girl for 10 min after class. That's the exact definition of an AFC, not a person who has charm and a pretty cool, fun, and laid back personality. You have to be so good that the girl never wants to walk away from you unless her house is on fire.

(2) OK good. Body is 5% of what it takes. The remaining 90% is your body language and how you carry yourself. So before you even open your mouth, the girl knows if she wants to let you inside her or if she wants you to carry her books.

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"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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