"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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How the hell do I even respond to this?

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So I've been seeing this girl for a couple of weeks now... we went out three times, things are progressing nicely. I haven't seen her since Sunday, but I was busy with school this week and so we didn't talk a lot this week but kept in touch.

We end up scheduling to go out tonight, for bowling. We sent a few texts back and forth a while ago and then she randomly texts "do you want to also invite some friends or just us?" This is after her spending the whole week letting me know how much she wants to see me.

Now at this point this text dropped my interest gauge by a tenfold... how do you even respond to something like that? Honestly... haven't seen you in almost a week, we've only gone out three times and I barely know you, and this is what you suggest? lol...

How would you guys handle this?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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"I have to make sure your not a gutterball machine before i start bringing my friends."
 

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TheException said:
"I have to make sure your not a gutterball machine before i start bringing my friends."
Not sure that'll make her see the stupidity of her question.
 

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Not sure that'll make her see the stupidity of her question.

Why is this your response to her question? Alpha males arent flustered by stupid small ****. Her question isnt even bad. Water off a ducks back brother, answer her and move on. Go out tonight, rape her in bowling, then escalate.
 

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Did she suggest inviting friends because she didn't want to be alone with you and therefore has low interest? Or is it because she wanted to feel closer to you by spending time with you along with her/your friends?

Could've been the latter, but your negative thinking made you think of the former first. Tell her just the two of you, and a dig about her bowling skills like Exception said would be a nice touch.

Enjoy the date, re-evaluate afterwards.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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TheCWord said:
Did she suggest inviting friends because she didn't want to be alone with you and therefore has low interest? Or is it because she wanted to feel closer to you by spending time with you along with her/your friends?

Could've been the latter, but your negative thinking made you think of the former first. Tell her just the two of you, and a dig about her bowling skills like Exception said would be a nice touch.

Enjoy the date, re-evaluate afterwards.
That's the problem, I dunno which one it is.
You might be right, might just be my overthinking. The problem is that thinks HAVE been going well, but we only saw each other 3 times in the past 2 and a half weeks, so when I ask her out after not seeing her for almost a week and she brings up being with other people instead makes me feel like it's from a lack of interest.
 

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your response: 'yeah I'll bring my best friends Big Bird and Elmo'

don't take anything a girl says seriously. if she asks a stupid question, give a stupid answer
 

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I don't blame you for this getting to you...The friends on dates thing gets to be ridiculous when every other girl brings it up.

Just the two of you, obviously.
 

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She could be insecure and not sure what you're looking for.

Or...

Bowling is always more fun with friends, other couples. It's not like you're taking her to a nice romantic dinner. She's probably talked to her friends about you and they want to meet you, and she thought this might be a good time. She's still leaving it up to you but it's no big deal, friends can't really ruin a bowling date. Not like you're going to putting on the moves in the bowling alley. With friends there it would probably me fun for both of you anyway.

Yes, I believe over thinking. Take it for what it is, consider it a legitimate question, not a personal attack.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Exoduso said:
Do I go along with it or stick to just us 2?
Do whatever you want to do. Don't worry about upsetting her by declining her offer to bring friends, if you just want it to be you two then tell her that.
 

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Danger said:
Some girls want to meet a guys friends before sexing them. I have seen this before and encountered it once myself.

I nexted her immediately. You can meet my friends after I've fvked you. Having said that, I'm pretty strict on my rules for girls and expect the highest interest level possible.
Respect, sir.

I've run into the friends on dates thing so much in the last year I'm getting really close to making a rule about it too. Like next if they even mention it. Not there yet, but have gotten close.
 

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I asked her who she was thinking of inviting, just to see what happens. She wanted to bring along 2 of her girlfriends, and was thinking I could invite some of my friends too (even though she knows all my friends are couples, pretty much)

I told her my friends can't make it but if she wants to bring hers that's fine. Or if she prefers we can reschedule (which was just a reverse **** test on my part to be honest) and she replied saying "nono that's fine i'll see them tomorrow."

The overthinking on my part on this subject drove me insane, but it also brought me to a point where I've lost some interest now. Just meet her tonight and play it by ear? Can always just switch the venue now and do something different, doesn't have to be bowling.

EDIT: I'm close to making it a rule too lol. A year ago I was dating this girl who (coincidentally also prior to the 4th date) wanted to bring her roommate along to a movie because "she has nothing to do tonight"... I cut all ties with her that night.
 

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Stop with this complete and utter bull****. Tell her to stop pretending.

"After I beat you at bowling, you're going to feel ****ty until I take your dress off. Because I'm going to do that."

Only if you already banged her.
 

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You should have just said just us and left it at that. Girls will always play the power card and push their limits. It's up to the man to draw the line. Take charge, man!
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Well I did...
she responded well and everything was okay, then about an hour after she texted to say that she had a fight with her parents and she's going out of town to stay with her sister, but wants to see me and wants to stop by on the way back tomorrow and blahblahblah.

At this point I'm over it, next?
 

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Exoduso said:
At this point I'm over it, next?
Why are you asking us?

Are you really over it or just saying that?

Do you want to **** her or not?

Are you going to let you "I'm the player" ego next this girl when you don't actually want to?
 

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I wouldn't next her. Don't be so quick to next. Girls are people too. Everyone is different and act/reacts different ways. You hardly know her to really get offended by her actions. Just play it cool. Don't go NC but maybe let her reach out to you for a little while. Once you start getting irritated you should P the B's and back off a little to the point where she won't irritate you. Go meet more plates.
 

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Exoduso said:
she responded well and everything was okay, then about an hour after she texted to say that she had a fight with her parents and she's going out of town to stay with her sister, but wants to see me and wants to stop by on the way back tomorrow and blahblahblah.

At this point I'm over it, next?
Sorry Ex, but I don't understand your reasoning here at all.

She's had a fight with her family and has decided that (besides her sister) you're the one who makes her feel good and wants to see you. This sounds like high IL to me.
If she had low IL, she wouldn't have even told you, she'd have just gone to her sister's and let you do the chasing.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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