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Bruh, a lot of guys are straight up lying...

Bars and nightclubs were already dying even before the scamdemic. Women would go to bars with groups of friends (males and females) to have fun not to hookup. They got their validation on social media so there was no need for validation from creepy guys in clubs and bars.

The only guys with a fighting chance on OLD are the really goodlooking guys. Normies dont make the cut...

It speaks volumes about the fragility of male ego when guys feel the need to lie to random strangers on mens help forums.

Buddy Boyos, self-delusion will only hurt you, the time has come for brutal honesty: 80% of men are incels in 2021.....

EDIT: In 2019, guys were still able to have somewhat of a nightlife, so at the very least it still gave them some (small) degree of hope(cope).... but COVID19 was the final nail in the coffin that sealed the fate for most guys.....

Now, guys can't even cling the foolish hope of random cold approaches at nightclubs. The only interaction with women that most guys have are either at their job, random cashiers at the store, their small circle of friends, or in their immediate communities.

The scamdemic has caused people (especially women) to become more insular and people have retreated into their immediate circle of family and friends - they're not going to get involved with a random unknown unless that random dude is exceptionally handsome....
Decent points.

Girls are not having sex in these COVID times, let alone meeting up with random strangers unless he is 6’1 and hot. Health authorities tell married couples DONT have sex unless you have MASK on. Yet guys on here say they smashed 4 girls in 8 days last week.

Who knows, maybe they have. But if I was a betting man, which I am, I would bet against it.
 

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I used to rely heavily on social circles as well as clubs and bars for some cold approach game. I also used online dating apps occasionally.

For me, IRL techniques are now essentially over. I've been hitting up girls I've known online for dates, with some success, but I'm socializing a lot less in general for obvious reasons.

WTF are you all doing for dating?

I suspect a huge percentage of the male population has simply given up resorting to porn, occasional prostitutes, or even sex dolls?!? Some bros are occasionally hooking up with girls from work, but there has to be a huge hit to the dating game in the past year or so.
Somehow people are managing to reproduce. There are still billions of them.
 

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Girls are not having sex in these COVID times, let alone meeting up with random strangers unless he is 6’1 and hot.
I think you have limiting beliefs. I'm neither 6'1 or do I consider myself above a 7.5.
At least in my area, I'm having a hard time managing or making time to meet up with all the girls I've matched up with. Most of them being 6-7.5's on the conservative side.

This exchange just happened to me this afternoon. I matched with this gal(hb7) and didn't beat around the bush but she is 1.5 hours away.

Will it happen for sure? Don't know and don't care. All I can do is try and see and move on to the next.

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The "quality" of the "women" on OKC is brutal. If it's not bottom of the barrel, it's close to it. Web based dating sites generally cater to the 40+ and 50+ crowds. The younger women on web dating sites are generally fat and/or ugly.

Here's the demographic breakdown:

tinder: majority are 18 to 25, some late 20's, huge dropoff of users 30 and above.

bumble: women are generally late 20's or 30's.

all dating websites: generally cater to middle aged and above, divorcees, and fat and/or unattractive women who are younger.

Prior to 2020, IRL hookup culture was heavily concentrated in the college greek scene and college athletics.
 

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I’m always surprised how much this board is scared of Covid. I’m willing to bet most of us are under 65 and in relatively good shape (compared to those who are dying or getting very ill from it). It isn’t that big a deal. Sure it’s affected dating to an extent - but not to the extent some on here act like.
 

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Girls are not having sex in these COVID times, let alone meeting up with random strangers unless he is 6’1 and hot. Health authorities tell married couples DONT have sex unless you have MASK on. Yet guys on here say they smashed 4 girls in 8 days last week.
Women are having sex with 6'1" hot guys during the pandemic. I am 5'10" and have gotten laid during the pandemic. Married couples are having sex without masks. No idea where you got that idea.
 

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Forget OND. You can still do in person approaches during the pandemic / lockdown if you see girls you're attracted to when you're out and about - just use a bit of common sense, be respectful of social distancing etc.

Stop making excuses and stop using OND as a crutch to hide behind so you don't have to actually approach girls for real.

There's no need to go out on dates. Just invite them over to your house or go for a walk in your local park with them.

Here in the UK there aren't so many people out and about due to lockdown, but if I do see any hot girls I like the look of, you can be rest assured I'll be approaching them.

I did it during lockdown last summer - girl was walking towards me, so I just seized the moment, caught her eye and said 'Hey, have you got a number?'. She stopped, and we took it from there. I was respectful of social distancing, but she actually stepped closer to me! There were numerous other approaches too.

Anyway just a heads up not to make excuses or get disillusioned. It's also a good time to focus on yourself, your goals, getting your sh*t together etc so that when this pandemic eases more you can get out there full on again.
 

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Girls are not having sex in these COVID times, let alone meeting up with random strangers
big difference between meeting a guy for a date/sex and going out to a bar and hanging out with dozens of other people. Bars here are packed anyways with dummies that think the pandemic is a scam or somehow over blown. So 183 other countries are in on the scam around the world?? Yah ok, sounds legit
I take the virus seriously, i go to work and the store and thats it, but im not overly concerned about meeting a single woman for a date. I do refuse to meet them in a bar for drinks tho, its either my house, their house or something that doesnt involve crowds.
I think covid has actually helped my dating to be honest.
 

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WTF are you all doing for dating?

I suspect a huge percentage of the male population has simply given up resorting to porn, occasional prostitutes, or even sex dolls?!? Some bros are occasionally hooking up with girls from work, but there has to be a huge hit to the dating game in the past year or so.
Some men are LocationMaxing (taking a break with COVID), some men are EscortCelling, and some are doing both. ;)
 

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I used to rely heavily on social circles as well as clubs and bars for some cold approach game. I also used online dating apps occasionally.

For me, IRL techniques are now essentially over. I've been hitting up girls I've known online for dates, with some success, but I'm socializing a lot less in general for obvious reasons.

WTF are you all doing for dating?
Depends where you live.
Some places are under far stricter Covid rules than others. ***

In UK we are under full lockdown conditions right now, and apart from one day at Christmas, it's been like this where I live pretty much since October/November.
Personally, I'm biding my time at the moment - I did get one woman into bed, on and off, for a few weeks during the summer when restrictions here were much more relaxed, but by the time that came to an end the restrictions were ramping up again.
Now that there's a serious vaccination program in UK I'm expecting there to be a lot of females (hopefully as horny as I've become) looking for some 'company'

I do have a nice little nurse lined up, and we're getting together as soon as we've both had our shots - Maybe a month or so....
Actually, I started by asking her out for coffee - she agreed, then a coupla weeks later SHE suggested going straight to an evening date - Now that things have dragged on, and we're both expecting to have our Covid shots before the clubs and restaurants open back up (she already had her 1st shot).... she said to go to her place, and she'll cook..... VERY promising ;)


***Also bear in mind that there's a lot of exaggeration, and/or straight-up lies that get told on what is essentially an anonymous forum.
Those that claim to be dating regularly..... Depending where they are.... I wouldn't take it all at face value. Some will be telling the truth... some won't.
 
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The "quality" of the "women" on OKC is brutal. If it's not bottom of the barrel, it's close to it. Web based dating sites generally cater to the 40+ and 50+ crowds. The younger women on web dating sites are generally fat and/or ugly.

Here's the demographic breakdown:

tinder: majority are 18 to 25, some late 20's, huge dropoff of users 30 and above.

bumble: women are generally late 20's or 30's.

all dating websites: generally cater to middle aged and above, divorcees, and fat and/or unattractive women who are younger.

Prior to 2020, IRL hookup culture was heavily concentrated in the college greek scene and college athletics.
This is dependent on your age range and location.

You do know OKC has an app, right? But I do agree that over 50% of them are bottom of the barrel from 30-50yo.

Everything is cyclic and you do have the uglies invading various apps at different times. Two years ago, I remember all the uglies shifting over to Bumble.

Currently around my location and age demographic 30-42 here's my observation from best to worst at his moment.

Bumble
Hinge
OKC
Tinder
POF
CMB
 

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Women are having sex with 6'1" hot guys during the pandemic. I am 5'10" and have gotten laid during the pandemic. Married couples are having sex without masks. No idea where you got that idea.
Women you know before the pandemic does not count.
 

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Bars and nightclubs were already dying even before the scamdemic. Women would go to bars with groups of friends (males and females) to have fun not to hookup. They got their validation on social media so there was no need for validation from creepy guys in clubs and bars.
Yes and no. Your comment has a lot of truth in it, but you gotta know where to go. In my hometown there are (were? Damn you Corona) some clubs where you just knew people went to look for the opposite sex. Met a lot of girls in these clubs. And yes, hooked up with a lot of them. Why would I lie? That would be sad. These places don't always have the best reputation though.

However, I've noticed that this isn't the case everywhere. Huge dance parties, random bars, big events etc aren't as easy as the movies and people make it out to be. Lots of girls are sceptical to guys approaching them on these places. They expect guys there to be hitting on them, so a lot of them have their 'shield' up. So yeah, I get what you are saying! And even if you approach girls at these events.. their guy friends and even girl friends who are with them tend to be overprotective. You need to make them like you aswell... ugh... lot of work.
 

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I’ve always considered The Atlantic to be a centrist publication. Which media outlets do you recommend?
I trust none of the traditional corporate media outlets. They all report the exact same thing.

The only outlets I trust are independent YouTube commentators who depend on their integrity to retain their follower base.

Google is not trustworthy either, their algorithms show you what they want you to see.
 

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I’m newbie and approach at the gym/mall/grocery/target everyday. Masks haven’t changed woman that I’ve seen...and I thought I made excuses

now masks have made it so a 43 yr old mum can look attractive enough to approach and when you get up to her you realize how a much small mask can skew a woman’s appearance,very annoying
 

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I’m always surprised how much this board is scared of Covid. I’m willing to bet most of us are under 65 and in relatively good shape (compared to those who are dying or getting very ill from it). It isn’t that big a deal. Sure it’s affected dating to an extent - but not to the extent some on here act like.
Yeah, it is quite disappointing, but on the other hand it kinda reveals the power of media and propaganda. If it weren't for mainstream social media, the world wouldn't be so full of 30ish year olds wetting the bed over a mild respiratory virus.
 
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I used to rely heavily on social circles as well as clubs and bars for some cold approach game. I also used online dating apps occasionally.

For me, IRL techniques are now essentially over. I've been hitting up girls I've known online for dates, with some success, but I'm socializing a lot less in general for obvious reasons.

WTF are you all doing for dating?

I suspect a huge percentage of the male population has simply given up resorting to porn, occasional prostitutes, or even sex dolls?!? Some bros are occasionally hooking up with girls from work, but there has to be a huge hit to the dating game in the past year or so.
Anybody who says covid has no affect is talking **** or they are the Tate Bros who are rich and in the 1% game, status, lifestyle, etc. I am still approaching. I still run game. I open sets when out on a run post workout of course, groceries or something. Genuine desire negates the pandemic.

Comply or bye. Blow me or blow me out. Pull or next. Smash or disregard. Flash games ftw!
 

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Since the pandemic started, I’ve only had sex with women that I had sex with prior to the pandemic. The pandemic makes forming new relationships difficult.



There has been. Masks make approaching at the gym or grocery store next to impossible. I’ve not been in a mall since before the pandemic. The mall would be the same as gyms and grocery stores. Fewer people are also likely go to malls as well. Before the pandemic, I didn’t like mall approaching as much as gyms/fitness classes and grocery stores. There were guys who could do mall approaching much better than I could.

The most viable option for meeting new people now is outdoors until herd immunity occurs and indoor masking ends. Walking/hiking paths are a really good option. Men who live near a beach are better positioned.

The people who entered the pandemic in relationships had an advantage but many of them frittered away their advantage, as divorce filings have increased as have non-marital breakups. I think that even a lot of men in mediocre to slightly subpar relationships are “sheltering-in-place” in their relationships, even more so than they would in a non-pandemic time.



The 2010s were not a good time for bar game for those reasons you mentioned. You’re exactly right that in the late 2010s (or 2019 as you call it), men had a slim amount of hope at bars. I had de-emphasized bars for pickup in the first half of the 2010s.

Even if you didn’t use bars for initial approaching, the bars of the 2010s were still useful in the seduction ecosystem as venues for hosting early-stage dates. All the app swipers were doing that, as well as the non-bar venue approachers. The loss of bars is a very big loss because it is extremely difficult to cut bars out of the early stage seduction equation.



In October, I had this conversation with a 6’4”, good looking guy who is my friend. He’s been in the same relationship for 5+ years and got married last year. He’s become more beta over time. In his heyday of pickup in the early-mid 2010s, he was getting laid a lot from bars and even supplemented on Match.com before swipe apps got big. He said that he perceived it wasn’t worth doing the apps unless you were a top 5% guy because women have too many choices. I wouldn’t call this guy red pill or black pill in the present day, nor would I have called him those things in the early-mid 2010s. Purple pill when he was most prolific in racking up a solid notch count.

I said the top 10% can do swipe apps.

I also think there’s a market for the oldsters (50+) who are looking the date other oldsters that is a little more forgiving. If you’re in your 20s or 30s and trying to use swipe apps, you have to be a top 10% guy. If you’re a 40 something guy looking to date 40 something women, you still have to be better than average. Maybe top 20% of 40 somethings.



The general idea is true but the specific number could be an exaggeration.

The typical guy is not a participant on SoSuave. The typical guy is not a pickup artist. The typical guy is not an acne-ridden, overweight neckbeard as well. The typical guy is a guy who is either married or in a multiyear relationship. Those guys in established relationships are not getting laid all that much but they aren’t incel. A married guy plowing his wife’s vag twice a month sounds like a good deal to a complete incel like Elliot Rodger was, but it is not a good deal in general.

A lot of the unattached guys get laid less than a reasonable person would think, which is why a lot of non-top tier men “shelter-in-place” in relationships, pandemic or no pandemic. The typical male (many would call this man AFC/beta in this forum) is reliant upon extended relationships to get laid and isn’t getting laid much in between relationships.



You’re overestimating how much interaction men have with women at their jobs. White collar men have been primarily working at home for the past 12 months. More of their interaction with women has been on Zoom video calls and phone calls. Additionally, fewer romantic relationships have been forming in workplaces since the 1990s, as the white-collar culture has dissuaded romances from forming. Blue collar men work jobs that typically don’t have a lot of women present as co-workers. How many auto mechanics and construction site workers meet women at work?

More men have weaker social circles now than they did in 1990. Despite the ability to have hundreds of thousands of friends/connections on various social media platforms, the typical guy who isn’t living in the same city as where he spent his birth-age 18 years (if he was lucky enough to even be in the same place his entire childhood) doesn’t have a strong social circle. The guys I’ve know who have used social circle best were guys who were geographically fixed to one specific area their whole lives. These guys are typically not players either. They are either serial monogamists (guys who continually get in 1-5 year long relationships and never marry) or guys who get married, have long relationships, and the occasional divorce and start over.
Most men don't approach. I blame low t.

I do notice more faux IOIS and choosing signals which means ultra scorched earth mode. Place waman on disregard if not for sexy times.

Befriend fellas and increase the social circle but people suck. More Young blood approach less than my Gen. it makes pulling the robbery and taxing Gen Z baeeeees far easier. I notice Gen Z fellas lift till they get as then disappear. Doesn't end well.
 

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Most men don't approach. I blame low t.
Many men would rather be swipe and text monkeys on apps than approach in the real world. When approaching in the real world, they need the crutch of alcohol at a bar/nightlife.

The boldest men are non-bar approachers. The guys who approach randomly on the street are the best. A lot of U.S. cities are not well designed for street approaching like London. Only older, more public transportation reliant cities like New York City, Boston, and Chicago are well set up for street approaching. Certain U.S. cities have nature-based advantages. In Los Angeles and San Diego, a person can do both beach approaching or approaching on hiking paths in nearby mountains. Phoenix and Tucson are among the two best metro areas for hiking path approaches. Other cities have recreational walking paths or parks where approaching is feasible.
 

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Many men would rather be swipe and text monkeys on apps than approach in the real world. When approaching in the real world, they need the crutch of alcohol at a bar/nightlife.

The boldest men are non-bar approachers. The guys who approach randomly on the street are the best. A lot of U.S. cities are not well designed for street approaching like London. Only older, more public transportation reliant cities like New York City, Boston, and Chicago are well set up for street approaching. Certain U.S. cities have nature-based advantages. In Los Angeles and San Diego, a person can do both beach approaching or approaching on hiking paths in nearby mountains. Phoenix and Tucson are among the two best metro areas for hiking path approaches. Other cities have recreational walking paths or parks where approaching is feasible.
In my travels I met some of the best playboy's on the planet. Absolutely stupid good game. I saw some goof doing pickup in a church parking lot in Poland. Cheeky ****. Lulz!

London, Munich, Ibiza, NYC, Vegas, South Beach, FL etc are superb stomping ground. hell I did damage in Boston too.
 
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