"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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How old is the oldest woman you have laid?

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my record is 44 (this was a few years ago now). It is true what they say about older ladies, you can do anything with them, and now i wish i was more adventurous! I was actually extremely nervous about going to meet her in her house.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Bible_Belt

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It's not polite to ask a woman her age, but I once enjoyed the company of a swinger in Florida who by my guess was in her mid 50's. If she had any limits, I never found them...
 

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Ha!

I was 35. She hit on me on a weekday afternoon at a bar in Hollywood.

We had a "one-afternoon stand" and she could f**k like a beast. No regrets. She wasn't great or bad looking but she was slender and energetic. :wave:
 

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Nailed a 40 yo when I was 31.

I posted this before in another thread, this is my summary of older vs younger

- Younger woman saying she's not interested : "I am busy"

- Older woman saying she's not interested: "I'm sorry but I dont think its going to work out, good luck!"

- Younger woman saying she wants to sleep with you: "We can go to a movie or go get a drink or do something else." or "Can I crash at your place on the couch?"

- Older woman saying she wants to sleep with you: "I really need some bad, how quick can you get here!? 15 minutes? That's not quick enough!!!!"
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Rollo Tomassi

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When I was 22 I regularly banged a 41 y.o. and a 43 y.o. The 41 y.o. even gave me a car when mine broke down so i could still come out & nail her on the weekends, heh.
 

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and you are proud of that?
 

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32 when I was 23..
 

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Prolly 30something. Women in their 30s can fvck like champs. My first time was with a 36 year old. My best time was with a 32 year old.

I got to third-base with this redhead who said she was 46...but she was still in DAMN good shape for that age.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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39 year old. Banged her just the other night. Not sure if it counts though as I've been hitting her on and off for nearly six years now.
 

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49 ex stripper.

She sure knew how to work her poon.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
The 41 y.o. even gave me a car when mine broke down so i could still come out & nail her on the weekends, heh.
I would be proud of that, lol!
I have never actively tried to pickup a milf (except for the 44yo ), but it is interesting because they will never think that you are approaching them for a PU and so don't have a biatchshield, and also you don't have any real expectation and so you are completely laid back about it. (This is unless you're specifically after milf, or that the milf is actively after some fresh young meat!)
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Rollo Tomassi

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sparky0000 said:
and you are proud of that?
Never really thought of being proud about it, it's just what happened. Both of these women were really just glorified FBs for me. I actually learned quite a bit about how women age, their sexually marketability as they age and this phase of a woman's maturity with respect to what's been conditioned in them from these women - and I got laid quite a bit while I doing so too. Both of them met my physical standards and I wanted to try it out with an older woman.

I also found out that hitting it with older women was almost too easy since the imperative for older women (particularly divorced ones) is to affirm themselves and their waning sexual marketability after their mid 30s. And nothing gives them more affirmation than a 22 y.o., muscular guy to show off to their also aging girlfriends and their overweight ex-husbands while getting sexual gratification too.

As I said this makes it too easy for guys just coming into their own with women and it kind of gives them a false sense of desirability. The ease of approach and the degree of success young guys have with older women rarely translates to women their own age since they have completely different priorities for the criteria a man needs to get her intimacy. This then leads guys to "prefering" older women because they're easier and the fear of rejection is marginalized, when what they need to do is learn to approach and close with all kinds of women, younger, older or their own age. All that's not to discourage a guy from hitting it with an older woman, just a warning not to let yourself become too wrapped up in the ease of it all.
 

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Oldest 46,

When they're in great shape for their age (ie slender, athletic) and h0rny, a lot can be learned and some good s3x too!

Rollo Tomassi said:
As I said this makes it too easy for guys just coming into their own with women and it kind of gives them a false sense of desirability. The ease of approach and the degree of success young guys have with older women rarely translates to women their own age since they have completely different priorities for the criteria a man needs to get her intimacy. This then leads guys to "prefering" older women because they're easier and the fear of rejection is marginalized, when what they need to do is learn to approach and close with all kinds of women, younger, older or their own age. All that's not to discourage a guy from hitting it with an older woman, just a warning not to let yourself become too wrapped up in the ease of it all.
...much wisdom in these words.
 

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31 is actually a relatively young woman and not too far from her prime.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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