"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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how much money did you lose before getting laid?

Goosberry

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Hi everyone,
I have a question today.
how much money did you lose before getting laid?
If it often free, how?

ps. stippers and hoes aren't counted!
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Zero. I spend money to have fun, getting laid is a serendipitous benefit that I never expect.
 

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Nothing. How? Don't do expensive activities unless you're only paying for yourself and you want to do it anyways.

Cool women don't act like prostitutes.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Last 3 non-strippers:

1) (HB9 age 19): bought her a drink ($8), and opted to get a hotel ($139) instead of taking her to my apartment which was messy at the time. $146.
2) (HB7 age 40): bought her dinner ($120) and had got nearby hotel in her town ($130). $250.
3) (HB7 age 40): gave her a glass of wine at my apartment. $10.

Average price: $135.33 ($46 + hotel).

Note I opted to get the hotels but if you keep your apartment cleaner than I do (I work at home so sometimes it gets messy with computer equipment) this would have cost much less.
 

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The last girl(barely an HB7) I went out with I spent $20 on and got laid....on the first date!

Typically I buy them 2 drinks and that's it. Every now and then I might buy dinner and drinks.

Years ago after I got divorced I took this HB9 out. She was the first woman I had been out with post-divorce. I was so excited yet clueless. I picked her up at her apartment, gave her a rose, took her out for dinner/drinks at a steak house, and took her to a concert. I probably spent over $100 on her. She stood me up for the 2nd date. haha
But that's ok, that girl has been perpetually single for the last 10yrs, and is now 45, wrinkled up, and post wall. Looks is all she had going for her and now she will be miserable the rest of her life.
 

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Think I spent about $50 last night :).on drinks and food. Second date though, so including the first, probably $80.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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I find that if I take a girl out on a nice date at a restaurant it just looks like I'm trying too hard. From the beginning I start planting seeds for casual outings. After I know she has qualities i am interested in I'll get a little more formal with her but not off the get go. How do I get to know someone better at a concert when I can't really talk to them?

To answer the question. Drinks can be expensive. So I'll burn 50-100 on drinks no problem. Money is spent gradually and if things are looking good I'll push to stay longer. If she's not fun I'll make something up and leave.
 
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It should cost about 2-3 times what you spend when you go out alone.
 

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Women make me money; I network through their friends, family, and orbiters. I have bought three businesses over the last few years through women. If you are losing money with any act you take, you are doing it all wrong. Instead, you should be investing your money.
 

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So you saw what cheap dates cost.

Now, here was what the best date of my life cost:

1) Bought her $300 worth of Victorian era clothing for lingerie photo shoot.
2) Spent $1200 on pocket watch with gold chain (which I kept).
3) Bought a $35 string tie.
4) Rented the best Bed and Breakfast in the Nation ($400).
5) We dressed up in 1890's clothing and I took her out for wine, dinner, pizza and coffee ($300) in a small town in Georgia where we could walk everywhere.
6) Small belated Valentine's gifts $40.

$1040 (I kept the pocket watch and string tie but $2275 invested)

Several women we met that night said I looked like Rhett Butler in Gone with the Wind (1939) and she looked like Grace Kelly in High Noon (1951). She said Clark Gable was the handsomest man she ever saw, and I told her Grace Kelly was the most beautiful woman I ever saw, and we proved it. Never in my life did I have sex with a woman 3 straight times with only a few minutes in between. I had planned that date for 3 months and it was worth it.
 

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Wow, interesting facts. Thanks everyone. You guys are awesome!
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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So you saw what cheap dates cost.

Now, here was what the best date of my life cost:

1) Bought her $300 worth of Victorian era clothing for lingerie photo shoot.
2) Spent $1200 on pocket watch with gold chain (which I kept).
3) Bought a $35 string tie.
4) Rented the best Bed and Breakfast in the Nation ($400).
5) We dressed up in 1890's clothing and I took her out for wine, dinner, pizza and coffee ($300) in a small town in Georgia where we could walk everywhere.
6) Small belated Valentine's gifts $40.

$1040 (I kept the pocket watch and string tie but $2275 invested)

Several women we met that night said I looked like Rhett Butler in Gone with the Wind (1939) and she looked like Grace Kelly in High Noon (1951). She said Clark Gable was the handsomest man she ever saw, and I told her Grace Kelly was the most beautiful woman I ever saw, and we proved it. Never in my life did I have sex with a woman 3 straight times with only a few minutes in between. I had planned that date for 3 months and it was worth it.
On my last date I spent about $100,000 on the girl cause I bought her a Maserati
 

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On my last date I spent about $100,000 on the girl cause I bought her a Maserati
Wow, you equate spending $1000 with buying her a Maserati? That's like calling $1 a $100 bill.

Will you tell us your salary and how much you spend on a date? I'll bet you work more hours per date than I do.

Seriously, get a job. Working isn't that bad.
 
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