"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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How much does career in a woman matter??

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can a chick be good girlfriend material - intelligent, classy, loyal, decent with finances, family oriented, etc...even being say a bartender/waitress??

Am i stupid to look primarily for a career professional woman?
 
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"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Am i stupid to look primarily for a career professional woman?
As picky as you are, I wouldn't be looking to add more qualifications to look for.
As long as she makes enough money to take care of her own business (her own car, insurance, spending money) I'd be happy.
You make enough to take care of the living arrangements should you get together.

I'd be wary of a bartender though, and maybe even a waitress. Bartender is like one step up from stripper in my estimation, and the bartender probably gets hit on more often. I wouldn't demand a professional though - if she is, it's a bonus.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Depends on what you want.

If you don't intend to pay for everything you want a woman who makes a decent income for whatever lifestyle you plan to have

But right now i don't want a woman with no free time that I see once a week and masturbate 85.7142857% of the time. so I'd be wary of dating a girl who's a doctor or lawyer or something.
 

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As picky as you are, I wouldn't be looking to add more qualifications to look for.
As long as she makes enough money to take care of her own business (her own car, insurance, spending money) I'd be happy.
You make enough to take care of the living arrangements should you get together.

I'd be wary of a bartender though, and maybe even a waitress. Bartender is like one step up from stripper in my estimation, and the bartender probably gets hit on more often. I wouldn't demand a professional though - if she is, it's a bonus.
so can a girl with a bs job making say 20K still have all the traits i want?
 

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“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Guys can we please stop entertaining his madness, why must we continue to do this to ourselves lol
 

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I am done. No more supporting this shi*stains threads. It gets beyond frustrating. Even negative attention is still attention and Dave lives for this validation.
 

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that's obviously a yes, I mean like her being super sweet, classy, intelligence, loyal, loving, great mom and housewife, etc...
They don't need money to be any of those things.
 

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I am done. No more supporting this shi*stains threads. It gets beyond frustrating. Even negative attention is still attention and Dave lives for this validation.
Guys on here swear up and down that there tired of his threads but he still manages to get 4-5 page threads, meanwhile, guys who actually need help get ignored.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Guys can we please stop entertaining his madness, why must we continue to do this to ourselves lol
It's not madness.

Some men are highly functional in other areas of their lives but are not socially adaptive.

Men who are highly rational and deals in databases doesn't understand that most people are not rational and are influenced by emotional needs when making a decision on happiness.

They are born into it.

People with Asperger's or a man who is a highly intelligent intellectual will exhibit the same as Dave.
 

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It's not madness.

Some men are highly functional in other areas of their lives but are not socially adaptive.

Men who are highly rational and deals in databases doesn't understand that most people are not rational and are influenced by emotional needs when making a decision on happiness.

They are born into it.

People with Asperger's or a man who is a highly intelligent intellectual will exhibit the same as Dave.
Been asking if he had some high functioning autism a few time got no answers yet and ofc i can see a cultural difference thats might be part of it
 

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Been asking if he had some high functioning autism a few time got no answers yet and ofc i can see a cultural difference thats might be part of it
People just need to be compassionate and understanding of his nature.

It will be hard for him, but to his credit he is trying his best with all these threads to make sense of something that comes easily for us yet remains elusive to him.
 

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can a chick be good girlfriend material - intelligent, classy, loyal, decent with finances, family oriented, etc...even being say a bartender/waitress??
In my experiences, yes they can Dave.

Am i stupid to look primarily for a career professional woman?
No its not stupid but it's ill advised to think that all professional women are worthy of being a girlfriend.

The only qualifications that is required is whether a woman can be accepting of your frame and be immersed into it.
 

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can a chick be good girlfriend material - intelligent, classy, loyal, decent with finances, family oriented, etc...even being say a bartender/waitress??

Am i stupid to look primarily for a career professional woman?
yes i dont think it should be a qualifying factor, intelligence, values, hard working etc are way more important imo.

Lots of career or highly educated women are just too entitle and demanding for my taste, but is good one also exists.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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