how much C & F do you use and Neg Hitting?

[DJnoob]

Ive always asked this question here and everyone seems to be afraid to answer it.

Again,,, For you DJs here, what percent of your conversation with a woman should you use c & f, neg hitting and a normal conversation,??

c & f = 40% ???
neg hitting = 40% ???
normal conversatoin = 20% ???

 

[Soprano]

i only have normal conversation when absolutely nessecary, as in making plans or talking about something important that needs to be done or something. that's just my natural personality though.....

i dont try to set a certain amount of cf or negs, i just make neg comments when i see a clear open door to do it, or a comment i can turn around at her.

i dont think u should set a certain amount of stuff to say, just go with the flow

 

[syncmaster]

You guys are kidding right? It's not a chem lab you're working on. Don't overcomplicate things. Just use it when you see fit.

 

[LeviathanIYG]

Originally posted by DJnoob
Ive always asked this question here and everyone seems to be afraid to answer it.

Again,,, For you DJs here, what percent of your conversation with a woman should you use c & f, neg hitting and a normal conversation,??

c & f = 40% ???
neg hitting = 40% ???
normal conversatoin = 20% ???

I do not like referring to these things as percentages but if it helps you understand.

Neg Hitting=2%

C+F=10-15%

Other=80%

 

[wavejams007]

I support what Lev says, but perhaps putting it in time segments would help. In a two minute opening convo, 1015 sec should be neg hitting, 30 secs C& F, and the rest convo. The same proportions should apply to longer convos. My proportions mentioned might ot be exact to Lev's scale, but you get the idea.

 

[seanchai]

I support Lev going back to Grade 1... how does 2+15+80 add up?

C+F and negging are parts of my personality, thus they are part of my normal conversation. I usually start an interaction with heavier C+F (however long I've known a girl, this doesn't change) and the longer I know her the more "normal" conversation I phase in.

 

[LeviathanIYG]

I didn't include silences as a percentage.

Silences in convo are vital there is nothing worse than a person that keeps talking and talking because he is afraid of silnces.

Very well

Neg Hitting=2%

C+F=10-15%

Other=80%

Silences= 3-5%

 

[DJ4Real]

It varies.....It depends on the girl and how you want to approach....

In my approaches

I could estimate that I do:

Normal talk- 25%

****y and Funny-60%

Eye Contact and Silences-15%

 

[smoke city]

here's a better formula.

2%: You ask her an INTERESTING QUESTION


98%: You shut the fvck up and listen to her answer.

Repeat.

sure you'll talk a bit more than 2% of the time, but really you should make the conversation all about getting to know her.
Almost every time--and certainly it will in your case--using "****y &funny" techniques results in only one thing: You talk WAY TOO MUCH and she gets the impression that your some assh0le trying to impress her.

 

[lets_do_this]

Originally posted by smoke city
here's a better formula.

2%: You ask her an INTERESTING QUESTION


98%: You shut the fvck up and listen to her answer.

Repeat.

sure you'll talk a bit more than 2% of the time, but really you should make the conversation all about getting to know her.
Almost every time--and certainly it will in your case--using "****y &funny" techniques results in only one thing: You talk WAY TOO MUCH and she gets the impression that your some assh0le trying to impress her.

please tell me why u would wanna get to know her?

im behind LeviathanIYG on this. I would agree that you should only use c&f / negs when u see it fit.

you cant be neg hitting a girl over and over when her value is already down, and yours if off the roof, right?

you can't be c&f without having a normal convo. that would look silly.

 

[Marlimus]

Twice when you first meet, once in every conversation, but don't dwell on it. Make your comment, and move on.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Personally I feel that if someone needs to ask this type of question they should step back and understand that there is no magical mathematical formula that works on women. For this to work, women would need to have their frame of existence based on logic and not emotion (I know it's sexist but it's true).

Women are dynamic beings and a guy can't even use the exact same process on the same woman all the time not to mention every woman, it just doesn't work that way. A DJ needs to adjust his presentation from moment to moment and from woman to woman in order to be successful. It's like riding a motorcycle, it's all in the english...

Oh, also if a guy feels that he needs to incorporate negs into the 'equation' by default, he should remove that skill from his arsenal altogether. Used incorrectly, negs will backfire on you big time.

 

[smoke city]

well said, francisco. guys pay attention to what he just said!

 

[[]D [] []V[] []D]

i have the best formula of all!

JUST TALK LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN - 100%

..and it everything else will fall into place

 

[Chemistry]

I've never seen it asked... but I guess people don't answer it because there isn't an answer, you play it all by ear...

Just display an air of confidence... how you do so depends on yourself and the girl you're wth... just make the convo something you can get your teeth by not being BORING... use the tools appropriately to ensure that she stays on her toes...


And to answer the why would you want to get to know her Q... well, there's 2 possible answers... the shallow one is that you want her to believe you have some kind of interest in her because is she believes that then she might put out... and the second more rational answer is that you just like getting to know people... the girl's a HB9 so you want see what she's about, if she's half interestin, and from what you're hearing you can decide if you want to see this girl again or next her in favour of someone a little more intriguing... if you play it all on the 100% do things just to get laid watch things fall apart...

 

[ScrewIt]

Personally i barely use neg hitting and c&f. it's all overrated.

I find that natural humor and teasing on the girl works best.

I guess, different folks different strokes.

 

[Boner da Stoner]

Teasing is just another word for c+f and -neg-hitting, you could also use satire, irony/sarcasm, ridicule...

there is no set words to describe what you do when you converse, or it would have ben included in your primary school teachings.

Depending on my goal with the girl I use different sets of reactions, sometimes I go in with a game plan, if I want a definite outcome of ****ing somebody... the rest of the time I act casual, call them out with c+f if I want fun info, neg-hit if I think it would be best for her to be upfront with what she's saying, or casual conversation if I'm waiting for a better prospect to come around the corner.

Putting science into the matter is a tough call, as fransisco said, she is dynamic, you have to use a dynamic system to get dynamic results.

LOL, this is the kind of discussion that blows FR's out of the ****in water.

 

[The Juan and only]

Exactly 8.234567% of conversation should be neg hitting.... no more, no less.

above posters have pretty much said it all. There is no specific, pre-set amount( although neg-hitting should be used very sparingly). Mix in some C&F whenever you can.

 

[Boner da Stoner]

If the girl is "xxx"... does the numbers stil count?

what if xxx=

laughing
with friends
with family
crying
holding a knife to her wrists
holding a knife to her throat
on the phone
holding another guys hand
at a dinner party
in a movie theater

 

[Bonhomme]

Don't TRY, let if FLOW

Just don't censor it if it flows. If you TRY to be C+F or throw in gratuitous neg-hits, chances are too often you WON'T BE FUNNY, and you'll just come off as a dorky azzhole.

I like to think of it as playful teasing, and go for it whenever the opportunity arises natuarally.

Better to throw in the occasional "zinger" than make an azz out of yourself by trying to be funny when you're NOT.