How many of you agree with this?

[JdelaSilviera]

In a sense, the game is unfair because in the moment you approach/try anything direct / indirect, you already lost value. That´s why women are so demanding.

I have had quite a few girls chasing me, I´m sure you too, and in the moment you know someone wants you, they just lose value, they seem boring, not a challenge etc..

 

[Who Dares Win]

Thats a point we should not ignore, actually its true.

I can state that in my experience girls got turned off from guys asking them out or showing interest, while I can say at the same time that not so special guys got attention from desired girls while not giving a damn about them.

Apparently it seems that the mating process in human happens by a woman making the first step (indirect) like getting close to a man or engaging in conversation and the man doing the first step (direct) to close the deal if he is interested.

The exception from that is game that is forcing this system and girls cheating on the system by leading on men to feed their ego.

Now tell me guys, in your experience of all the girls you had, how many of them didnt like you from the early beginning of the interaction?

Anyway I think game doesnt get you the girls, game simply decrease the mistakes you can do and increase yourvalue thus making more common for a girl to like you and start the process above described.

 

[youngmack]

Anyway I think game doesnt get you the girls, game simply decrease the mistakes you can do and increase yourvalue thus making more common for a girl to like you and start the process above described.

So what gets you the girls?

 

[perseverance]

I have had quite a few girls chasing me, I´m sure you too, and in the moment you know someone wants you, they just lose value, they seem boring, not a challenge etc..

That only happens if I think she's ugly! If I like a girl and she likes me and it's obvious through her actions, then she is getting nailed.

 

[zekko]

I have had quite a few girls chasing me, I´m sure you too, and in the moment you know someone wants you, they just lose value, they seem boring, not a challenge etc..

This is not true, not for me anyway. If a woman wants me, it piques my interest because this shows she is a very intelligent, discriminating woman with impeccable taste. She is actually showing that she is better than other women.

 

[Barracuda]

In a sense, the game is unfair because in the moment you approach/try anything direct / indirect, you already lost value. That´s why women are so demanding.

I have had quite a few girls chasing me, I´m sure you too, and in the moment you know someone wants you, they just lose value, they seem boring, not a challenge etc..

True, but thats what false time constraints, self-disqualifiers and negs were invented for.

 

[Pimp-sicle]

In a sense, the game is unfair because in the moment you approach/try anything direct / indirect, you already lost value. That´s why women are so demanding.

I have had quite a few girls chasing me, I´m sure you too, and in the moment you know someone wants you, they just lose value, they seem boring, not a challenge etc..

I COMPLETELY disagree.

Women are innately attracted to strong, confident men. Part of that description entails seeing and taking what you want.

Women gravitate towards men who go for what they want.

Its GOOD to show interest.

However, most newbies and guys who don't improve their game run into is over-analyzing, stalling and then coming off as a straight up goober when they do finally approach.

In those instances, the girl didn't lose interest because you approached and the game is "unfair." No, she lost interest because your approach was wrong.

If you only take the women that come to you or show super obvious signs of interest, then your MISSING OUT on the girls you REALLY want.

Don't make that mistake.






PIMP

 

[Who Dares Win]

So what gets you the girls?

Your value gets you the girls, game help you to do the right thing to produce the maximum result from what you can provide or avoid mistakes that could damage you.

Game doesnt create attraction, game allows you to dont screw up, if a girls doesnt find you attractive theres no amount of game that will make her wet.
Game is the ability to perform a particular action but if that action needs to push a button you still need to have functional fingers.

A good looking famous actor can afford have a crappy game since his value is high enough, an everyday joe cannot afford to lose value by behaving stupidly therefore games helps him to give the best out of his base.

 

[TonyBaloney]

I'M SORRY but this is the biggest load of ****ting codwallop i've ever heard in my life. What an idiotic statement to make OP and all of those who agree. VALUE what are you? some dude who is an analyst/economist???

LOOK each of us sitting here, our skin, bone, eyes, hair, teeth is a product of 4 billion year worth of evolution.

Pay attention to that.

Its all about women perceiving other things rather than "he's a dic cos he just approached me.

Grow up you complete dic k weasel

 

[Eternal_water]

Yeah women have the power and its unfair, but I've kinda gotten used to that, its not going to change so might as well accept it.

 

[perseverance]

Yeah women have the power and its unfair, but I've kinda gotten used to that, its not going to change so might as well accept it.

That's only because men choose to give women this power.

 

[Kenny Powers]

In my experience most girls love a confident guy who approaches and leads them. However, for me their interest typically starts falling over the next few days when im trying to get a date from them. When you start asking consistently for a date she knows she has you and loses interest. Also the fact that you are no longer standing in front of her flirting hurts you as well (out of sight out of mind). She'll string you along though for an ego boost.

I had one girl who I asked like 5-6 join me for coffee, food, ice cream, and even 2 different party over the course of like 4 weeks and she kept saying she couldn't make it (to be fair i usually asked that day) eventually i got bored and stopped texting her. I saw her at a bar a few months later and she waved me over to sit next to her. We talked but she seemed disappointed when i didnt make a move. I still see her every now and then and she always gives me a big smile and we talk for a bit. I may try again with her but she had her chance and blew it so i dont really care.

 

[TopGun2000]

In my experience most girls love a confident guy who approaches and leads them. However, for me their interest typically starts falling over the next few days when im trying to get a date from them. When you start asking consistently for a date she knows she has you and loses interest. Also the fact that you are no longer standing in front of her flirting hurts you as well (out of sight out of mind). She'll string you along though for an ego boost.

I had one girl who I asked like 5-6 join me for coffee, food, ice cream, and even 2 different party over the course of like 4 weeks and she kept saying she couldn't make it (to be fair i usually asked that day) eventually i got bored and stopped texting her. I saw her at a bar a few months later and she waved me over to sit next to her. We talked but she seemed disappointed when i didnt make a move. I still see her every now and then and she always gives me a big smile and we talk for a bit. I may try again with her but she had her chance and blew it so i dont really care.

she just wanted you to chase her for a ego boost. don't be fooled by their words. judge them by their actions

 

[yuppaz]

This is not true, not for me anyway. If a woman wants me, it piques my interest because this shows she is a very intelligent, discriminating woman with impeccable taste. She is actually showing that she is better than other women.

^^^^ This - great self esteem vs. "If she's into me there must be something wrong with her" thinking

Personally I approach, am indirect with my words, but direct with the body language, tone of voice and vibe (and willingness to escalate). It shows her we can speak on the same level, I'm not afraid of my sexuality, or going for what I want but I'm going to give her time to come around to my way of thinking. Because I know for women, that a lot of the time it takes them a little while to get their hind brain and their conscious mind in synch (hind brain thinks "I WANNA **** HIM" while conscious mind thinks "I JUST MET HIM... that's too scaryyyyyy" so they need the time to allow both to come to the understanding that "I WANA F*CK HIM" is the right decision.

 

[ganda1f91]

Yes, I agree, unfair, but the world isn't fair. You can't really refuse to play an unfair game without refusing to live.

 

[Chamber36]

I will have to agree that the moment you approach a woman you are qualifying yourself to her. That is simply the way the game works though. We look for hot women and see if they're willing to let us audition, and so we do. Some women think they can get a guy to do anything just because he'll spend 15 minutes talking to her for the sake of her pvssy. It is a problem. But that is simply the gamble that men go through when trying to get pvssy. You spend time/money and you don't know if you will reap rewards. Game is also about being able to estimate the pro's/con's. What got me far as a newbie/natural was that I had no idea of consequences and I just tried everything. Now I worry about social value and everything. But I digress.

I will have to add another thought though, to this thread. When you decide to invest time in a chick, even if it's just to get to know her initially, it's a d@mn waste of time. From the moment you meet a chick, it should be either a 100% business relationship or a 100% sexual relationship. There are of course exceptions, thought here shouldn't be. If the relationship isn't business and isn't not sexual, then it's probably really just fluff. In which case the relationship is probably insignificant to the girl.

 

[ganda1f91]

From the moment you meet a chick, it should be either a 100% business relationship or a 100% sexual relationship. There are of course exceptions, thought here shouldn't be. If the relationship isn't business and isn't not sexual, then it's probably really just fluff. In which case the relationship is probably insignificant to the girl.

I don't completely agree 100% of the time with this. I have a few girls in my life who are pretty high on my list of "best friends". They have no sexual interest in me, but kind of more importantly, I have none in them. Therefor, we actually can be mutually in eachother's "friend zones" without being orbiters. Most of my good friends are guys though, and I will admit, the scenario above is not for all guys (and is even pretty rare for me). Some are all or nothing, and I can't blame them for being that way.

 

[Chamber36]

Like I said, there are exceptions. I'm also in the friend-zone with a chick, but that's not a problem at all. Her willingness to give out pvssy to other guys actually has worked out favorably for me in the past. So things can always work out in the end.

I do know in the back of my mind though that if she ever got serious with a guy that she might just stop hanging out with me 1 on 1. It's a fact I'm willing to accept. It's not like I ever go over to her house. She always comes over here. So the investment on my part is minimal.

Just be wary of the traps they set. Being in the friend zone is like living with a ninja. You never really know what they're up to.

 

[ganda1f91]

True, true. I'd say we've arrived at an equal point.

 

[nismo-4]

I asked a similar question. Perhaps this thread is appropriately tied into this one.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=193911