How many men break these rules and still get girls?

[Jon55]

But there are dudes who are successful with women, and don't think about it. They just do it. And I bet there are times they "break the rules" of what to do with women, or when to do it, but it doesn't affect their success much, if at all.

I can contest to this a lot.

Believe it or not (either way I don't care), back during all of high school I could get a ton of girls, and just "felt" what to do. I always made girls guess for things. Even stupid things. Never gave direct answers (except "no"). I worked best with groups and could get every girl to love me. Then I started doing serious dating. Although I was great before now, I was a big pvssy with relationships. Did a lot of "AFC" stuff. I had no clue!

Years later and after a lot of stripping of my confidence/self-esteem, I've feel pretty weak at times, and second guess myself a lot. I feel like I know what to do, but don't have the balls to follow through with it. The seduction community has shown me a lot of my flaws and things I was doing wrong in relationships.

 

[Bonhomme]

It's hopeless for most guys with or without the bible.

I'm not trynna help someone anymore I just post my experiences,thoughts.,and views for my own entertainment.

You can't show someone how to get laid online.They have to see it from experience.

I strongly disagree with this overly cynical point of view. It may well be hopeless for some guys, but not most, provided they're realistic in what they want. If you're talking about dating supermodels or "A list" actresses, you may have a point... but that's not my definition of "hopeless."

You may not be able to literally show someone how to get laid online, but you can help guide them to learn the most from their experiences and maximize their results.

 

[Play the Game]

What rules?

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Most of these dating sites want to make you a mediocre player so they can make you keep coming back for more and thus make more money.

Yeah, but most of these sites also have money-back guarantees.

If all the stuff was nonsence, then at the end of the day, the wouldn't be making any money assuming they honour their unconditional money back guarantee.

In my experience, I bought into one 'dating site' and bought an e-book from John Alanis, didn't worked, applied for a refund, got a money order mailed back. Only money lost was the money spent getting a money order (which the other person also paid to put the refund back).

One place I would not recommend is 'Seduce and Conquer' -
http://www.seduceandconquer.com - although they have a money back guarantee, they attach conditions and put you on a guilt-trip suggesting that you are really not sincere enough with the program which is why it didn't work, etc....