How many men break these rules and still get girls?

[reset]

After reading much of the Book of Pook I see how most of the tactics and strategies covered here, while in themselves do work, are basically masking an inner confidence/calm/strength/wisdom/passion/whatever.

As I read here, I see so many conflicting ideas on every topic. Do it this way, or you're an AFC, don't do that or you'll be an AFC, you should have known she thinks you're an AFC etc. (also this word, "AFC" being thrown around just makes you think of AFC even more).

But there are dudes who are successful with women, and don't think about it. They just do it. And I bet there are times they "break the rules" of what to do with women, or when to do it, but it doesn't affect their success much, if at all.

I know a guy who's good with girls. I asked him a few questions, things that may be brought up here. He didn't have many answers. I could tell it's not something he thinks about very much. To him, women are fun. Not much thought necessary.

Maybe I'm not like that yet... but people come here and ask for moment by moment advice (me too) and somewhere down the road you become a robot. You don't even know what to do anymore without checking to see if it makes you an AFC or not. Then you may do something against your gut, or that you didn't want to do anyway, because it didn't fit in with "the game."

Maybe he's just following his own instinctual inner nature. Just being a man. I'm guilty of thinking way too fricking much. Even though I like this place, I can see how all this second guessing (after you've understood the basics) can only get in your way. What is the point... to enjoy life (women and success/happiness) or to just not to appear as an AFC?

On the flip side, a guy who is good with women doesn't think in these terms. He just does what feels right in the moment. So how can he be successful if he's not consulting the manual? Doesn't he know all the consequences?

Confidence, and not giving a ****. I think I'll take that over any seduction methods I could learn.

What do you guys think about this?

 

[Obsidian]

But there are dudes who are successful with women, and don't think about it. They just do it. And I bet there are times they "break the rules" of what to do with women, or when to do it, but it doesn't affect their success much, if at all.

Success isn't about being in a relationship or not being in a relationship; it's about being in a relationship that makes you happy. Judging by 50+% divorce rate in America, a lot of average guys are less successful with women than you're giving them credit for.

If you don't like the DJ community and think you can pick up your own women without it, more power to you. It was nice knowin' ya.

 

[reset]

Not a problem with the DJ community as such... don't take it personally. I'm posting here after all. I'm learning a lot, but I can see how too much knowledge can get in the way. That's my point. And the advice given here, while much of it is consistent, contradicts itself.

When you're faced with two choices, and you don't really know deep down what's right for YOU, what choice do you make? I bet for many they don't make a choice at all. They just get frustrated and post online. Then they are probably embarassed to talk about what really happened because they know they are going to get bombarded with "AFC" comments.

I'm not trying to be critical of anyone here... I'm basically talking about me after all.

 

[Obsidian]

Pook downplays seduction techniques a bit more than he should, imo.

Think of the Hall of Fame articles as being like learning kung fu techniques. Then Pook's philosophy is just about being man enough to fight. If you're not a man, then all the fighting techniques in the world aren't gonna help your wussy a$$. But if you are a man, learning advanced techniques can help you as long as you don't let them clutter your mind.

 

[Tha Realnezz]

It's hopeless for most guys with or without the bible.

I'm not trynna help someone anymore I just post my experiences,thoughts.,and views for my own entertainment.

You can't show someone how to get laid online.They have to see it from experience.


Yes I treat women by my own code.

Most of these dating sites want to make you a mediocre player so they can make you keep coming back for more and thus make more money.

 

[Vypros]

Pook downplays seduction techniques a bit more than he should, imo.

Think of the Hall of Fame articles as being like learning kung fu techniques. Then Pook's philosophy is just about being man enough to fight. If you're not a man, then all the fighting techniques in the world aren't gonna help your wussy a$$. But if you are a man, learning advanced techniques can help you as long as you don't let them clutter your mind.

What you're not getting (and no one on this sight seems to get) is that Pook's theories bring with them NATURAL seduction techniques.

Your analogy off. If you want to compare it to kung fu techniques, then this site is like a book of "motions" you do to learn kung fu. Yes, you can learn them, but they are stilted and unnatural. Pook's theories are like saying "If you want to learn kung fu, then get out there and fight/associate/learn from people who use kung fu. Sure you're going to get your a$s beat in the beginning. Sure it's a tougher road, but through the experience you learn to be NATURAL with kung fu."

That's what that theory is about. And from first hand experience I can tell you that it's a hard road. It's not easy doing what Pook suggested. it's not easy at all. But once you break through. Once you get into that mind frame, the pay off is so much more effective.

 

[Obsidian]

well w/e, my point is that reading both of them will probably help you the most with girls

 

[Vypros]

Yeah, I don't see the harm in reading up on seduction material. There's a lot of good information in them amidst all the crap that is there too. Hell, I've read and still read as much Seduction material as I can get my hands on.

But I rarely apply the techniques. Instead, I learn the theory behind it and in turn I learn a little bit more about girls, which then feeds back to my NATURAL state and using that knowledge with the natural stuff I've learned from Pook.

 

[reset]

What was cool about the Pook book was its focus on being natural. It's like we're trying to learn things that are outside of us, when in reality, nature has programmed us to know how to handle this stuff. Of course we listen to society and feminism etc. and become a bunch of wusses, which is where the seduction stuff comes in, to remind us of our natural state.

I enjoy the seduction info too, but it's a means to an end. Putting too much focus on women can work against you. Guys who do this stuff naturally (the goal for the guys here) have learned to take the focus off of the girl, and onto them and their own happiness, which is where it belongs.

I don't remember the title, but the Pook entry about being the prize, is probably the best thing I've read so far on the subject.

 

[TruthHurts]

Confidence, and not giving a ****. I think I'll take that over any seduction methods I could learn.

that is the answer!.... a lot of the material is ultimately trying to get you to achieve this.. i.e. not giving a f.ck when you come up to girls..

The less you care, the more they want you... Thats why dont be afraid to make that move... after all.. she nothing but just a girl... dont put her on a pedistal.. They want to find a man they can look up to, not a man they can baby-sit..

 

[SharinganUser]

As I read here, I see so many conflicting ideas on every topic. Do it this way, or you're an AFC, don't do that or you'll be an AFC, you should have known she thinks you're an AFC etc. (also this word, "AFC" being thrown around just makes you think of AFC even more).

Life is contradicting. That's why human's live in buildings and sit in front of computers all day when we should be writing on cave walls and throwing spears at lions.

There are many ways to reach a goal, just as there isn't one style of kung fu, there isn't one style of being successful with women. Some guys go on the dance floor till 6 am and get lots of girls, some guys sit in the back of the club and have all the women hanging off of them.

 

[BluEyes]

Natural/Inner game is where it's at boys.

robotic PUAs and players have developed names, numbers and descriptions for things that people with inner-game do instinctively. It's like looking at a great NBA player and saying "he does this" or "In this situation he'll do this" or "If I were him, I would do this right about now". Sure it works, but it's all emulation of natural game.

Develop your natural game, by developing yourself, and you'll be a whole lot quicker off the mark and more versatile than a "pua" or player because you won't be the one to consult the "rules"... you MAKE the rules.

 

[Fenderules]

yeah this thread i do find usefull. Im not smooth by any means, but im improving. I find when im confident and myself, i can be ****y in my own way and it seems to work great.

But i'll sometimes try to push it a little bit and thats when things backfire. Like this chick that blew me off the other night, we were having some fun and then all of a sudden she turns cold and is like 'i really dont feel like ****ing" even though when i talked to her on the phone she was like hell yeah.

she then told me how i was just trying to be 2 ****y, and that it totally turned her off and backfired.

 

[Fenderules]

but at the very least, i dont really care, cause its a learning experience. and she still said she wants to **** me..... she is just gonna have to put in the effort.

 

[Paintballguy]

One of my friends is a complete AFC and somehow is dating this hot girl. I have no idea how it happened and it pisses me off. I happen to know this girl by chance and I ran into her a month or two ago at a bar. She was telling me how much of a stalker my friend was and how much he was calling her. Fast forward to today, they are dating now. I dont get it... Its just frustrating to see that kindof stuff happen.

 

[Phazuka]

What does AFC mean?

 

[Paintballguy]

What does AFC mean?

average frustrated chump

 

[L777]

Yeah man I agree entirely. The only thing that guys who are good with women - natural or not - have in commone is "inner game", lame phrase I know, but whatever. And this inner game is things like confidence, no insecurity, good conversation skills (not actually what you say but how you say it, how you vibe etc. this stems from confidence and social awareness), sexual vibe - again stemming from confidence (in the bedroom ), and also the DESIRE TO SUCCEED. I swear a lot of the AFCs who avoid approaching at all costs don't want to be good with women, or at least they don't want it enough....you really do have to genuinely want sex, all the time, for yourself, not to show off to your buddies or whatever.

negs, phase shifts, DHV, A1, B2, C3(I genuinely thought that was a wind up when I first saw it )....all bulls.hit, get the inner game sorted, get some people skills, improve yourself as much as possible...don't learn scripts, routines etc, its really sad when you think about it.

I swear the PU community has over-complicated pick-up. Its simple, man+woman=sex...thats how it has been for all the naturals out there for years...I don't see why its been complicated so much...actually I do, its all about money, but whatever.

Just be a f.uckin MAN, thats all women want, a man with the balls to approach and the skill to make her scream in the bedroom ....simple as.

 

[godofanxiety]

I agree with this completely. I'm in the relationship right now, and I'm not getting much pleasure from it, because I constantly think of the bible, trying to analyze her interest level, and thinking what would David De Angelo do right now. It shows.
There is a thing called "thrashing", when processor is so busy accessing resources and juggling memory that it does nothing useful at all. You have to restart then.

 

[Randallpink83]

...Alot of the main reason to know the "rules" in any faccet of life, is to know the correct way to break them.

know the rules and you will safely cross the boundaries when the time is right.