"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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How long till it's beating around the bush or you just become friends?

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How long till it's beating around the bush or you just become friends?

What up, I met this fine girl a month ago when school first started. She's fly, seems pretty cool, and I haven't praticed much more than kino. I told her to come to my frat party. For valentines i texted message her to come kick it with me for a bit on campus cause we were passing out roses. She told me she wasn't gonna be on campus till later, so i never got her a flower. Anyway, she's f*cking sexy and I feel like i'm moving too slow. She's called me twice already about school or about borrowing something for school. I guess i'm gonna call her up soon and find out if she's going to the party or not.

I think she's interested. We always kick it during breaks. We're always locking eye contact in class. I don't want to beat around the bush, but wtf am i doing? If she cant make it out to the party, should i ask her to come over this weekend?

How long till it's beating around the bush or you just become friends?
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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chancer said:
..How long till it's beating around the bush or you just become friends?
Guys who beat around the bush usually end up beating their meat. Think about it, why don't you think you guys hooked up on Valentines Day? Why haven't you guys done anything substantial (something more than hang out as friends)? Welcome to the friend zone, pull of a chair and wait for her to call you when she has doesn't have better plans.
 

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Looks like a duck, quaks like a duck, must be a duck. You know that? You guys are having a blasting friendship time on breaks, she borrows sh1t from her friend, must be your friend.


Ahh, hits balls doesnt it?



You can raise her IL and raise from the friend zone, which some my disagree with, but I say you can because she hasnt told you lets be friends.


Date other people. Distance yourself from her. Wait for her to hit on you. On the sight on a subtle hit, hit back, then escalate.

In turn, you are showing her that you are not some frustrated boy. She has affection for you, you want attraction. If she felt attraction for you when you two first met, then she could be attracted to you again. The above is the recipe. My advice is stop thinking about getting with her, start thinking about getting with other women. She will come with you later naturally.
 

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I wasn't expecting anything out of Valentines day, I was just creating rapport because the flowers were free, and I have NEVER celebrated this day.

How do I hang out with these girls and do/get more? I don't have the money to spend on dates, so I try and get these girls to come over. Although I go jogging with one, we're just friends. I usually tell them to come over to watch a movie, show them something i've been working on, do homework, or hang out and drink.

It's easy for me to say that I've been really busy lately as I'm about to graduate college and find a way to make some cheese in the real world. I obviously need to find and make time. I've been working out and feel pretty confident. i'm not afraid to talk to girls.

Beating around the bush comes to mind because, I'M NOT GETTING ANYWHERE... I'm talking to like 5 girls, and all seem distant. It's easy for me to think about other women. I was talking to one girl who blew me off, and I got a new number the same day.

It feels like I'm almost there and I can get a lot of girls, but I somewhere drop the ball. Comments?
 

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dude how much money are you planning to spend on a girl? Go to a bar and have 2 rounds of drinks. Most likely she'll pay the second one. That means a total cost of maybe 15 bucks. Or do the movie thing but escalate from it. It's hard to set it up as romantic if ye're doing homework together!
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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ok, I see what you guys are getting at. Thanks for the wake up. I'm ready to learn. The bottom line is that i can just be happy in the presence of a fine women. Even when i talked to other girls, I always choose the fine women over them, even though I got nothing out of it.

As busy as I am, women have been on my head almost everyday. My teacher even told me that I need to focus on the class (and not the HB). So I'm going to try not to think about these girls the whole week. And on the weekend i'm just gonna call the one who seems most interested. Good/Bad idea?
 

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the time period varies. Some stuff I think that are correlated wit the time length are

-How hot she is/ how hot you are
-how often she goes out, gets approached
-how often you see each other
-how is your relationship between her? Is it strictly friendly or is it some kinda tension n you just havent made that final move?
 

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All I know is that I've procrastinated away enough girls to fill a couple of swimming pools.

When in doubt, make a move... believe me.
 

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^ A lot of truth to that right there. I need to seriously work on my closing. I had been talking to this girl that had initiated everything, and I just never closed her. Now she's barely responsive to anything.
 

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Practice makes less imperfect. Have gals join you for fun activities that will provide opportunities to lose yourselves in the activity ... which in turn provide more opportunities to get more physical.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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To be completely honest it really completely depends. Once I worked with this girl and she was too young so I told her that. It was about a year before she got to the age I would tap. It really depends how YOU act and stuff like that. Like personally I have NEVER entered the friend zone where you CANT get the girl. I don't know what that is. And to be 100% honest the most effective way to hit up a 10 is to make it so they have to prove themselves to you and not to ask them out immediately. A lot of people will tell you otherwise but what I say is whats real.
 

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3/1 Overview
-As sexy as HB is, I didn't give her a lot of attention like previous classes, always looking over, making eye contact, asking something...
-I didn't hang out with her and her friend during break

I saw her in class today. She said hi. I said hi, and started doing my work (i'm behind). The teacher likes to bull**** and talk but I wasn't paying attention to him either. HB asked what I was doing this weekend, and I just replied working... then I asked what she was doing and she said the same, so i got back to work. She asked another question later, and then I caught her playing with her hair at the end of class. She looked frustrated I didn't turn and look and said some shlt. it was funny. I just kept doing my work. Finally I start packing up, and she was waiting already to go. I was so busy working that I didn't notice someone I haven't seen in a while so I said hi. And then HB says I'll see you later, and finally leaves. She was walking slow enough for me call her name and catch up. We talked for a little bit, but since I don't remember what about, it must have been nonsense... Anyway, She didn't go to the party I invited her to last week. And I'm tired of trying to figure out if she's interested... I already know enough about her not to want to just talk. Whatever happens happens. Should I just give her a call next week and try and setup a date? What kinds of questions should I be asking?
 
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