"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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joe45

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Previously i met a girl off the net we went out like once a week for approx 2 months.
my main question is this how long or how many dates would you as a guy or gal go on before askin or assuming that you and her are bf/gf? i was dating Jen(gal i met off the net) for 2 months , and when i asked her if we were dating or relatonship-she said dating. isn't 2 months enough to consider urself bf/gf.
if the dating thing went on for more than 2 months lets say 4-5 months and she still said it was dating -what would you think of this. was i just getting the run around or not. i'm just glad i didn;t spend a lot of money on her. if this scenario happened to you , what would u think.

oh ya get this --- she had a previous bf which she dated for a month and she already considered him as a bf, but with me its just dating hmmm. why?



also as a guy or gal who have been on dates how long , before you guys even have sex. in 2 months i only kissed her in the theatre but nothing more, we both live at home-so no place.
is 2 months -once a wk too short to ask for sex or how long is appropriate? do u just aske for it, or do you jsut go for a kiss and ....... and then sex .

give me feedback on what you guys think, yea total rookie as u now of it
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Francisco d'Anconia

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It depends on the tides and the phase of the moon... :rolleyes:

Dude, people aren't clocks or calendars; don't pretend that they are. You need to progress your interactions before you can make any accomplishments. It's not based on time, it's based on actions.
 

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Women often seem to categorize a guy right off the bat, into:

Friend
Casual dating, but not sex
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Casual sex
Bf material
LTR material
Marriage prospect

I often get girls joking with me about marriage and kids early on, even though some of them may have had LTRs before where they never really discussed such potential. I think a lot of it is based upon if you happen to satisfy a checklist they already have in their head. And either you satisfy it or you don't - dating longer probably won't change that. But regardless, you at least want to be past the "no sex" zone, lol. :whistle:

Anyways, I think it may be hard to move up categories once she's already stuck you in one...although you can definitely always move down.
 

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joe45 said:
i asked her if we were dating or relatonship-she said dating.

in 2 months i only kissed her in the theatre but nothing more

she had a previous bf which she dated for a month and she already considered him as a bf

too short to ask for sex or how long is appropriate? do u just aske for it, or do you jsut go for a kiss and ....... and then sex .
I'm sorry to tell you this, but she knows that she has you on a string. That's not to say she doesn't like you - I'm sure she does. But since you took so long to make moves relative to other guys she's dated, she knows that you don't interact with girls as often and doesn't fear losing you to other girls. You asked her if you were dating or in a relationship, and she replied, "dating." For two reasons - you're not satisfying her (physically) to the extent of her previous boyfriends and you have proven to her that you don't have any other options. If she feared losing you, she wouldn't have said that, and you wouldn't have had to ask. As for sex, don't ask for it. As for the pace, you're asking her and us about it? Maybe nobody ever taught you this, but you set the pace. You need to step things up physically rather quickly. You need to pull away emotionally a bit so she doesn't walk all over you. You need be dating at least one other girl while you're dating this girl, and things will go much better. Your behavior will change naturally, she'll sense that there is another girl and will more likely commit, and you'll get more of what you want out of this relationship. ASAP!
 

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What is that about when they talk about marriage and kids for a joke?

This HB other day started saying her name with my surname, it was a joke but I was thinking what was it all about
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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If it's a joke when she uses your surname with her name, she's negging you. Or you could just call that teasing, flirting, etc.
 

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Just ask her if she is dating someone else with your surname, if so you might be related :yes: Turns it back on its head.
 

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I wouldn't consider someone I'm not sleeping with a girlfriend, first of all. You should make fvcking her a priority. Don't say you can't fvck her because you're living at home either, that's an excuse. I have, and millions of other guys have. 2 months of dating a girl without regular sex would drive me crazy. If I don't fvck someone I'm seeing within 2 weeks, she's not worth my time - infact I don't even take girls out on dates until I screw them. I do things I want to do and invite women along. It may seem like a matter of semantics, but the mindset that goes with it is important.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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It all depends...

You can **** anywhere from less than 5minutes and as long as over a year (I know some people who waited)

As for the dating thing you said you hangout once a week thats like Fuvk buddy terms right there. If you're want to get the bf/gf vibe your going to have to see her more often.
 

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Distant Light said:
It all depends...

You can **** anywhere from less than 5minutes and as long as over a year (I know some people who waited)

As for the dating thing you said you hangout once a week thats like Fuvk buddy terms right there. If you're want to get the bf/gf vibe your going to have to see her more often.
Maybe they waited a year, but that's still a close friendship until it happens. And it generally only happens in childish high school relationships, not between adults. I suppose the extremely religious type is an exception, but joe45 has made no mention of that.

If he starts seeing her more often before they have sex that's going to put him straight into the friend zone. Women WANT to have sex; often times more than men, though they won't usually admit it. joe45, why are you denying her what she wants? ;)
 

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hmmm

Anyways, I think it may be hard to move up categories once she's already stuck you in one...although you can definitely always move down.
Few exceptions, but agreed for the most part.

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I'd say if a female is interested in you, after first date usually it can go down. If you wait past 2 dates to fvck a female, you're going to get demoted into either a 'friend' or if she's HIGHLY interested in you she'll work to see what's so 'special' about you that u don't want to fvck her...

2 months and only a kiss ?? Sounds like highschool...

My current gf slept over my place on the 2nd date, no questions asked she basically volunteered... so that should answer some questions ;)


-Cod3r
 

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wtf, you dont ask a girl if we're dating or not. you just see a girl and if it happens, you'll fall in love or remain friends.
 

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It takes 47 days, 8 hours and 16 minutes before a couple has sex.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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