How Important is it to Be 100% Financially Independent?

[Aurora Demon]

I was having a conversation with a former wing / natural buddy of mine who said no quality girl would LTR a guy who isn’t 100% financially independent.

I asked a female friend of mine who is attractive and most would consider quality based on her personality and looks, and she said she would never date a guy who isn’t employed. I forget if she mentioned the specifics though.

I know guys and have heard of some guys who are unemployed drug addicts who are banging or in an LTR with an attractive quality girl, so it is technically possible.

I am over 30 years old, so perhaps as the guy is older, it’s more important the guy is employed and possibly also financially independent.

Or maybe it has to do with the girl being older?

I am being partially financially supported by family, which my friend said is not good enough to land a quality girl. I think he might have strong inaccurate beliefs, thoughts?

To specify, my goals are:

1. Laying above average to hot girls.

2. FB above average to hot girls.

3. LTR above average to hot girls.

I think #3 is the one that my friend argues requires full financial independence.

1 and 2 it seems financial independence is less important, but would any girls see that as a deal breaker?

This is assuming the guy has his looks maxed out and has the skill set to seduce the girl properly and generate high attraction.

Simply having a good enough skill set to seduce the woman is sufficient enough to bang them for sure, FB them probably, and I would’ve thought being able to seduce and generate high attraction would be enough to LTR a physically attractive and quality girl even if you’re not 100% financially independent.

Or even more extreme, if you’re unemployed with a good skill set and able to seduce a girl, since love and attraction are emotionally and logical, an LTR should still be feasible even if you’re living off welfare?

To the guys on this forum, what are your thoughts on this?

 

[Aguirre]

So no money or status...

Do you have game, looks, muscles, a nice car?

At your age, assuming you have some valuable qualities not mentioned, you would still be considered a low quality option for a relationship at best, especially when you should have money and a considerable net worth by now. You'll have limited options to chose from, but I doubt they'd be anything you'd be satisfied with -- perhaps a fat neurotic 4/10 with a disability who falls in love with you on day 1.

Beyond your 20s being financially independent and wealthy is a very high priority. Or at the very least you should have the means to get there quick, if you have the skills to still land a quality job.

Maybe you could find some women online to hook up with but you'd likely have to keep up a facade.

Even if you are a welfare bum with serious game, you cannot be satisfied with that. The fact that you are even thinking that this is ok is a problem; you need to change this mindset asap.

 

[jhonny9546]

Being FI is a priority if you're a man, before getting a woman or a family.
But you know you cannot get from 0 to 100 in one day.
You still want to date or have a family in the meanwhile.
What matter the most is how you treath yourself, towards these goals, everyday.

 

[Aurora Demon]

But money is relative, so for southeast USA, what’s the minimum yearly amount I should make after taxes and such, to be considered FI?

I am ripped and good looking, working on re learning game.

 

[Aurora Demon]

What about having a wealthy family? How does that factor into this scenario?

 

[CornbreadFed]

I’d rather start my own business than be some boring cheap person.

 

[plumber]

What does financially independent mean ?

For the women, do you mean sexy/attractive. Or also good character ?

 

[RickTheToad]

I was having a conversation with a former wing / natural buddy of mine who said no quality girl would LTR a guy who isn’t 100% financially independent.

I asked a female friend of mine who is attractive and most would consider quality based on her personality and looks, and she said she would never date a guy who isn’t employed. I forget if she mentioned the specifics though.

I know guys and have heard of some guys who are unemployed drug addicts who are banging or in an LTR with an attractive quality girl, so it is technically possible.

I am over 30 years old, so perhaps as the guy is older, it’s more important the guy is employed and possibly also financially independent.

Or maybe it has to do with the girl being older?

I am being partially financially supported by family, which my friend said is not good enough to land a quality girl. I think he might have strong inaccurate beliefs, thoughts?

To specify, my goals are:

1. Laying above average to hot girls.

2. FB above average to hot girls.

3. LTR above average to hot girls.

I think #3 is the one that my friend argues requires full financial independence.

1 and 2 it seems financial independence is less important, but would any girls see that as a deal breaker?

This is assuming the guy has his looks maxed out and has the skill set to seduce the girl properly and generate high attraction.

Simply having a good enough skill set to seduce the woman is sufficient enough to bang them for sure, FB them probably, and I would’ve thought being able to seduce and generate high attraction would be enough to LTR a physically attractive and quality girl even if you’re not 100% financially independent.

Or even more extreme, if you’re unemployed with a good skill set and able to seduce a girl, since love and attraction are emotionally and logical, an LTR should still be feasible even if you’re living off welfare?

To the guys on this forum, what are your thoughts on this?

I just have to ask.. Did you really pay for all of these courses?

Training Received:
1. Love Systems Bootcamp
2. Love Systems Private Lounge Member
3. Advanced Private Lounge FJ Member
4. Neil Strausses’ #1 coach one-on-one
5. Intensive in-field training w/ Mystery

 

[Clockwerk50]

• As per economics, scarcity matters. With that said, living alone these days is more of a luxury than a baseline.
  
  
• Depending on various factors such as age, attractiveness, the quality and quantity of available suitors, and others I may be forgetting, people’s needs in a partner can change. These needs could include fun, adventure, financial stability, power, rescuing people, pain, ambition, emotional connection, etc.

To simplify things, your friend is right in that both men and women tend to look for similar core needs in a partner, including financial values as part of compatibility, depending on their stage of life and individual needs. Truthfully, choosing a partner can be one of the best or worst financial decisions a person can make.

The advice has always been the same, and the bottom line is that no one wants to date a loser.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Question of location...

Here in The US, the federal government is in a state of irreversible collapse, which means everyone's likelihood of snagging financial aid from Uncle Sam will soon be more non-existent than the sight of Papua New Guineans roaming downtown Salt Lake City

So, those who aren't providing their fellow man with services which command a handsome fee will be going without dinner, within the next 6 months

 

[BackInTheGame78]

At some stage a man is expected to have his sh!t together, and that usually includes finances.

Forget what a woman expects, that's what a man should expect from himself.

 

[Bokanovsky]

I was having a conversation with a former wing / natural buddy of mine who said no quality girl would LTR a guy who isn’t 100% financially independent.

I asked a female friend of mine who is attractive and most would consider quality based on her personality and looks, and she said she would never date a guy who isn’t employed. I forget if she mentioned the specifics though.

I know guys and have heard of some guys who are unemployed drug addicts who are banging or in an LTR with an attractive quality girl, so it is technically possible.

I am over 30 years old, so perhaps as the guy is older, it’s more important the guy is employed and possibly also financially independent.

Or maybe it has to do with the girl being older?

I am being partially financially supported by family, which my friend said is not good enough to land a quality girl. I think he might have strong inaccurate beliefs, thoughts?

To specify, my goals are:

1. Laying above average to hot girls.

2. FB above average to hot girls.

3. LTR above average to hot girls.

I think #3 is the one that my friend argues requires full financial independence.

1 and 2 it seems financial independence is less important, but would any girls see that as a deal breaker?

This is assuming the guy has his looks maxed out and has the skill set to seduce the girl properly and generate high attraction.

Simply having a good enough skill set to seduce the woman is sufficient enough to bang them for sure, FB them probably, and I would’ve thought being able to seduce and generate high attraction would be enough to LTR a physically attractive and quality girl even if you’re not 100% financially independent.

Or even more extreme, if you’re unemployed with a good skill set and able to seduce a girl, since love and attraction are emotionally and logical, an LTR should still be feasible even if you’re living off welfare?

To the guys on this forum, what are your thoughts on this?

The reasons for your lack of financial independence, which you have chosen to omit, are rather important. Are you unemployed because you are back to school, pursuing a degree that would allow you to get a better job? Or are you an underachiever who is too lazy to work? Do you have any physical or mental disabilities that limit your employment opportunities? Context matters.

 

[corrector]

Just get a sugar momma

 

[Aurora Demon]

What does financially independent mean ?

For the women, do you mean sexy/attractive. Or also good character ?

Can you use your own definition? For now.

 

[Aurora Demon]

I just have to ask.. Did you really pay for all of these courses?

Training Received:
1. Love Systems Bootcamp
2. Love Systems Private Lounge Member
3. Advanced Private Lounge FJ Member
4. Neil Strausses’ #1 coach one-on-one
5. Intensive in-field training w/ Mystery

LOL.

Love Systems bootcamp was like $400-500.

That gave me access to their private invite-only lounge.

I was also invited to another private lounge with lots of coaches and high level seducers.

I utilize Neil Strausses’ former coach as my life coach currently.

And yeah, Mystery was pricey. Him and Beckster give in-field bootcamps that are the best available option as far as I know.

I can’t say whether or not it’s worth the money. It’s different for everyone.

That’s the only expensive one.

Other than Tony Robbins events.

 

[Aurora Demon]

Just get a sugar momma

True story, I went on a date with a girl who came from a rich family. Literally billionaires. My pride wouldn’t let me stay with her for her money.

Her personality sucked. She sucjed at sex and was greedy in bed.

Was incredibly rude. Was a “former” cocaine addict. (I somewhat suspect that she did not stop that)

She wanted to meet my parents on our first date.

From Tinder.

Also, I was 27 and she was 36.

Could not stand her.

 

[zekko]

I was having a conversation with a former wing / natural buddy of mine who said no quality girl would LTR a guy who isn’t 100% financially independent.

I asked a female friend of mine who is attractive and most would consider quality based on her personality and looks, and she said she would never date a guy who isn’t employed.

Well, if you aren't employed, you don't really have much business getting married, unless you're independently wealthy. That would be putting the cart before the horse, and just being irresponsible. Even putting women completely aside, being financially independent is probably the most important material goal in life.

Having said that, I've known guys who had drug problems or were slackers who lived with or married women and basically lived off of their income. Some of those people were legitimately impaired, but that aside I don't think I would see that as a goal to pursue.

 

[Aurora Demon]

Well, if you aren't employed, you don't really have much business getting married, unless you're independently wealthy. That would be putting the cart before the horse, and just being irresponsible. Even putting women completely aside, being financially independent is probably the most important material goal in life.

Having said that, I've known guys who had drug problems or were slackers who lived with or married women and basically lived off of their income. Some of those people were legitimately impaired, but that aside I don't think I would see that as a goal to pursue.

So, what if my family is wealthy? So I don’t need to work at all?

What do you do for work?

 

[zekko]

So, what if my family is wealthy? So I don’t need to work at all?
What do you do for work?

I'm retired, young man.
If your family is wealthy enough that you don't have to work, what you do to fill your time is up to you. Most people from wealthy families find some sort of work to do to fulfill themselves though. People aren't generally happy being parasites.

I knew this one fellow who had been injured in an accident and had a huge insurance settlement, he lived very well (on his own) without working, and usually kept a live-in woman. I wouldn't trade places with him though.

 

[Aurora Demon]

I'm retired, young man.
If your family is wealthy enough that you don't have to work, what you do to fill your time is up to you. Most people from wealthy families find some sort of work to do to fulfill themselves though. People aren't generally happy being parasites.

I knew this one fellow who had been injured in an accident and had a huge insurance settlement, he lived very well (on his own) without working, and usually kept a live-in woman. I wouldn't trade places with him though.

Thanks for the advice.