RustleYourJimmies
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Can we post some stories about how you guys successfully got out of the friend zone? Looking for a but of advice and motivation, thanks
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
This story kinda sounds like she was in the friend zone.Desdinova said:I really don't want to give you false hope here because getting out of the friend zone is NOT a common thing that happens. It's the exception to the rule. Nevertheless, here's my story which I lovingly copied and pasted from another post...
During my learning period, I had become friends with a girl I had approached at the bar. She was smart, nerdy, and had a nice body. I didn't focus on her the whole night, but I frequently went to her table and conversed with her. When she had left the bar to take a bus home, I was kicking myself for not getting her number. I was ready to swallow another lost opportunity, but the friend I was with said, "Get your ass out there and offer her a ride home!" I figured it would look totally stupid to her, but giving this idea a shot was better than doing nothing. So, I hopped in my truck, drove to the bus stop, and she was still there.
I said, "You want a ride home?"
She replied, "I don't really know you."
I responded with "Well, I don't really know you either!"
After a slight hesitation, she climbed in and I drove her home. When we got to her place, I asked for a number exchange. She complied, and I went back to the bar to tell my friend what happened. "See! I told you!" he said proudly. I learned that it's better to risk looking like an a55hole than risk missing out on an opportunity.
I wasn't going to call her until the third day, just as I had read in the DJ Bible. To my surprise, she called me the next day. We became very good friends, and hung out often over the next nine months. I was still suffering emotionally from my breakup with my fiancee, but she didn't seem to mind being my emotional tampon.
I started dating another girl my ex's sister introduced to me. She was very boring, but at this point I was happy to be getting ANY new experience with women, so I put up with her talking about her stupid friends. I decided to keep my dating life private from the other women in my life. I didn't tell my female friend I was dating somebody.
My female friend also became a subject for experimentation. I became playful with her and initiated kino. I didn't expect it to go anywhere, so I just had fun with it. over time, I began noticing a change in her behavior toward me. She would find reasons for us to do things together, and she was phoning more.
I decided to take her out to my favorite hangout with me one Saturday night. When the song "Amazed" came on, she asked me to dance. I hated the fvcking song, but I went along with it. There are certain times when I'll chime into something that's going on, but continue to ignore it. I was getting a look from her that subconsciously told me that she's absolutely crazy about me. But again, she was just a female friend so I ignored it. When the night was over and I drove her home, she said, "when we were dancing, I felt the urge to kiss you... Can I kiss you?" I said nothing, took my glasses off, and put my lips on hers. After she went into the house, I bounced up and down with excitement. I was now dating two women at once! This was the moment where I knew I had succeeded in becoming a Don Juan.
When I initially got her number, she made it clear that she didn't want to date me. She was also very much stuck on her ex at that point. She is the one person who literally watched me evolve from AFC to DJ.SamTheHobit said:This story kinda sounds like she was in the friend zone.
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
Thanks for clarifying.Desdinova said:When I initially got her number, she made it clear that she didn't want to date me. She was also very much stuck on her ex at that point. She is the one person who literally watched me evolve from AFC to DJ.
THIS times 100! Damn us guys with good taste in music, how the hell are we supposed to dance with girlsDesdinova said:I hated the fvcking song, but I went along with it.
RustleYourJimmies said:Can we post some stories about how you guys successfully got out of the friend zone? Looking for a but of advice and motivation, thanks
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
This is the golden rule of dating/game. If you follow this, you cut your failures in half and double your success.Blurry said:Find a girl who already likes you, rather than trying to convince one to.
Naw, this works. I've done it.SamTheHobit said:It probably depends on your situation.
But the old tried and tested no contact worked for me. All I did was no contact and after 4 months we were 'dating'.
I haven't been in the friend zone for years lol but I'd try something along the lines...
Well depending if she knows you like her... Just go no contact and surly enough she will ask why so quite or not talking to me etc.. Then say something like I just don't think friendship with you is good for my mental health.. Leave it vague...
Note distance is important in escaping the friend zone..
You will probably receive text saying is there something wrong with me?? Etc
Keep distance.. Use this time to learn to stop being such a wimp..
Make this girl as emotional as possible, when she texts you again tell her to **** off.. You need to create pain, and sure enough the more you push her away the more she will pull you in..
Next step try and get a meet up which I'm sure she'll jump at the opportunity, show her the new you and the just man up and kiss her and see what happens most likely she accept this and you will live happily ever after lol
And no I don't think it's afc, you gotta make these chicks as emotional as possible good or bad it doesn't matter.
Note:This is either great advice or really bad, I don't really know.
Way to persevere Bro.perseverance said:I've never been one to try and change a girls mind, she either likes me or she doesn't. If she does, then let's go some, if she doesn't, it's no big deal, different strokes for different folks. It's the women who like me that matter, not to the ones who do not.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.