"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

Read more...

how do you treat women who've hooked up with your friend(s)?

mungro

Don Juan
Joined
Jun 11, 2005
Messages
77
Reaction score
0
the story is common for some... especially if you are in a smaller social community where the networks are small (ie, college, highschool, workplace, etc). you and your friends all "know" or are in communication with potential female targets... then if you don't hook up with a target, your friend finally get's her one night at the bar.

While of course, this is bitter sweet... sweet because I'm always psyched for any buddy as we celebrate another girl taken down...but it also means another potential girl has been taken off the board for me personally. Either way, however, for me, I've noticed several times now that my interest level or desire to even talk to such girls after the fact drops like a stone. The question is, how do you treat these girls now? Personally, i've always gone through a guilty phase where I have a major letdown social interaction with these girls... and a part of me says I should be more civil. In my demented mind perhaps, I just think, "well this girl is useless to me know... etc etc"... which is a rather bitter cynical mindframe I think. What is a good DJ mindset to have?
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

Read more...

Francisco d'Anconia

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jul 10, 2003
Messages
15,481
Reaction score
65
Location
Galt's Gulch
Would it still matter if you didn't know the previous guys she had hooked up with? The problem is that you're inadvertently comparing yourself with your buds. STOP IT! It's debilitating.
 

mungro

Don Juan
Joined
Jun 11, 2005
Messages
77
Reaction score
0
Francisco d'Anconia said:
Would it still matter if you didn't know the previous guys she had hooked up with? The problem is that you're inadvertently comparing yourself with your buds. STOP IT! It's debilitating.
so basically your saying, she hooked up with your friends, and now you still have no problem running game?

personally, i just can't myself around to do that... she's been taken by a friend, she's sort of damaged in a way... its not doable... if it was a random encounter maybe... but especially not ones I see around often...
 

girlsarecrazy

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Apr 10, 2006
Messages
240
Reaction score
2
It depends if the girls are in the "talking" stage with your buddies.

Say one of my girl friends hooked up with one of my guy friends randomly one night at a party. I wouldn't change the way i'd pursue that girl because chances are the hook up meant nothing and it didn't bring my guy friend and her to the "talking" stage.

Now if one of my girl friends and one of my guy friends had a planned evening together and hooked up. Then I'd drop that girl off the priority list because her interest shifts to my guy friend because they are in the "talking" stage and plan more evenings together.

It's all a matter of what the hooking up meant. A lot of times the girls will hook up with the guy and the girl would think nothing of it because it didn't mean anything to them. That's when you don't change your view of her potential.

Understand?
 

Francisco d'Anconia

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jul 10, 2003
Messages
15,481
Reaction score
65
Location
Galt's Gulch
If it goes against your moral code then don't consider it. You don't have to sarge every girl in existence however if all your buds were AFCs that could explain her "getting around." Yeah, she could have issues to but then again, maybe not. Who knows until you find out.

This is a complicated situation to handle if you just think of women as objects of conquest and you compare your spoils of war to those of your friends. If your ego has that much of a hold on you don't go after them, you'll be in constant conflict with yourself.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

Read more...

mungro

Don Juan
Joined
Jun 11, 2005
Messages
77
Reaction score
0
girlsarecrazy said:
It depends if the girls are in the "talking" stage with your buddies.

It's all a matter of what the hooking up meant. A lot of times the girls will hook up with the guy and the girl would think nothing of it because it didn't mean anything to them. That's when you don't change your view of her potential.

Understand?
I think that helped me... think through the way I do things a bit.

My friends are fairly large group of diverse guys, some are admittedly AFC and some are quite advanced and experienced with ladies... Which is why, between the 10 of us or so, who roll together... we know a lot of "girls" who are "friends" sort of... and sometimes we hook up with some of them, and of course lines get fuzzy. It's not a competition... but true to DJ spirit, I do keep my target lines open, and I like to test every girl i know... it just confuses me when a friend hooks up with a girl. it creates a weird feeling as what to say to this girl when she tries to talk to me next. Can't explain why i feel that way, it just is...
 

PRMoon

Master Don Juan
Joined
Apr 2, 2003
Messages
3,739
Reaction score
41
Age
45
Location
-777-Vegas-777-
Hmmm

I'm actually split on this issue

On one had I could take advantge of the knowledge of the girl on the basis of your friends. You'll know what she likes and dislikes, how she screws, what makes her hot. If you're friends are good they'll have no trouble giving up this information to you and might even put in a good word or two on your behalf. All very good things with positive outcomes and if you're an a mature circle then it should be a good experience.

Typically however, and very contradictory to the above statments, I hate my friends coat tails. Call it an ego thing, but the rivalry I have among my friends in terms of our dating circle not only turns me off to the girls they've dated but has had a hand in shaping me as a player....also I've always lived in metropolitan cities with millions of girls to choose from and I like to keep it fresh.
 

KarmaSutra

Banned
Joined
Oct 13, 2005
Messages
4,818
Reaction score
142
Age
53
Location
Padron Reserve maduro in hand while finishing my b
Whether or not the new guy's a buddy, an aquaintance or just the fvcking Starbucks guy filling up your pina colada frappa-latte it's still JUST A FVCKING GUY.

Get it outta your mind you'll be tasting his nuttbutter by-proxy. We all do.

Hope I showered your day with a li'l sunshine!
 
Top