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How do you even get into these top tier social circles with hot girls in them after college?

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In college it was clear as you had to rush the right fraternity and get them to bid you but after college, I wonder how this even works. We all know status helps a lot in regards to pulling attractive women but it seems like cold approach and online dating are only options that exist after college.

So these elite social circles that hot girls seem to run in, how do you even get access to these sorts of circles after college?
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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In college it was clear as you had to rush the right fraternity and get them to bid you but after college, I wonder how this even works. We all know status helps a lot in regards to pulling attractive women but it seems like cold approach and online dating are only options that exist after college.

So these elite social circles that hot girls seem to run in, how do you even get access to these sorts of circles after college?
Give an example of one of these circles.

Are you sure they really exist?
 

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In college it was clear as you had to rush the right fraternity and get them to bid you but after college, I wonder how this even works. We all know status helps a lot in regards to pulling attractive women but it seems like cold approach and online dating are only options that exist after college.

So these elite social circles that hot girls seem to run in, how do you even get access to these sorts of circles after college?
This "imaginary' circle is some sh*t from the movies. There isn't a top tier social circle after college.

In fact you have till about 25-27 to have a "social circle" at all.
Then people will get married, and if you are single they will stop hanging with you and start doing things with other couples.
Ofcourse you'll get a yearly cookout or Xmas party invite .. But hanging out every Friday with a specific group of people dies at about 28.

You can prolong this by befriending some younger people and being " the old guy" in the group.
However at 30 I think you'll find 21 year old conversation quite unsavory.

So around late 20s early 30s if you choose to stay single, you'll be lucky to have 1 or 2 friends you hang out with regulalry, probably a gym partner and one other guy who chose not to marry or something of that nature ..

So what you do is you join clubs and groups.
Yoga, dance, book club, coed sports leauges, volunteer etc etc.. And viola every class or group is a whole new group of women to build rapport with.
 
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This "imaginary' circle is some sh*t from the movies. There isn't a top tier social circle after college.

In fact you have till about 25-27 to have a "social circle" at all.
Then people will get married, and if you are single they will stop hanging with you and start doing things with other couples.
Ofcourse you'll get a yearly cookout or Xmas party invite .. But hanging out every Friday with a specific group of people dies at about 28.

You can prolong this by befriending some younger people and being " the old guy" in the group.
However at 30 I think you'll find 21 year old conversation quite unsavory.

Then You'll be lucky to have 1 or 2 friends you hang out with regulalry, probably a gym partner or something of that nature ..

So if you are still single you join clubs and groups.
Yoga, dance, book club, coed sports leauges..

Etc
Age: 20

That is all I have to say.
 

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That is all I have to say.
Even still there is no "top tier" social group unless you are a celebrity.
Just hang with people who have similar interests. What are your hobbies? Go from there.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Even still there is no "top tier" social group unless you are a celebrity.
Just hang with people who have similar interests. What are your hobbies? Go from there.
Even still?

Bro it is all about credibility and though I admire your helpful nature at 20, I have to say, where is the legendary @bigneil when you need him?
 

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This "imaginary' circle is some sh*t from the movies. There isn't a top tier social circle after college.

In fact you have till about 25-27 to have a "social circle" at all.
Then people will get married, and if you are single they will stop hanging with you and start doing things with other couples.
Ofcourse you'll get a yearly cookout or Xmas party invite .. But hanging out every Friday with a specific group of people dies at about 28.

You can prolong this by befriending some younger people and being " the old guy" in the group.
However at 30 I think you'll find 21 year old conversation quite unsavory.

So around late 20s early 30s if you choose to stay single, you'll be lucky to have 1 or 2 friends you hang out with regulalry, probably a gym partner and one other guy who chose not to marry or something of that nature ..

So what you do is you join clubs and groups.
Yoga, dance, book club, coed sports leauges, volunteer etc etc.. And viola every class or group is a whole new group of women to build rapport with.
This is GOOD positive advice cola...
 

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Even still?

Bro it is all about credibility and though I admire your helpful nature at 20, I have to say, where is the legendary @bigneil when you need him?
I'm not 20. I'm 27. That's wrong.
But if you consider the sh*t Big Neil posts "legendary" by all means..

But I can speak for him. He's just gonna tell you get rich and trick the money off on pretty strippers with secret coke habits..
 

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This "imaginary' circle is some sh*t from the movies. There isn't a top tier social circle after college.

In fact you have till about 25-27 to have a "social circle" at all.
Then people will get married, and if you are single they will stop hanging with you and start doing things with other couples.
Ofcourse you'll get a yearly cookout or Xmas party invite .. But hanging out every Friday with a specific group of people dies at about 28.

You can prolong this by befriending some younger people and being " the old guy" in the group.
However at 30 I think you'll find 21 year old conversation quite unsavory.

So around late 20s early 30s if you choose to stay single, you'll be lucky to have 1 or 2 friends you hang out with regulalry, probably a gym partner and one other guy who chose not to marry or something of that nature ..

So what you do is you join clubs and groups.
Yoga, dance, book club, coed sports leauges, volunteer etc etc.. And viola every class or group is a whole new group of women to build rapport with.
this is the most depressing post I've ever read
 

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I'm not 20. I'm 27. That's wrong.
But if you consider the sh*t Big Neil posts "legendary" by all means..

But I can speak for him. He's just gonna tell you get rich and trick the money off on pretty strippers with secret coke habits..
Tricking is dumb. Many of us are guilty at times. But if you know your worth you'd realize its not necessary and its not respecting you.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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This "imaginary' circle is some sh*t from the movies. There isn't a top tier social circle after college.

In fact you have till about 25-27 to have a "social circle" at all.
Then people will get married, and if you are single they will stop hanging with you and start doing things with other couples.
Ofcourse you'll get a yearly cookout or Xmas party invite .. But hanging out every Friday with a specific group of people dies at about 28.

You can prolong this by befriending some younger people and being " the old guy" in the group.
However at 30 I think you'll find 21 year old conversation quite unsavory.

So around late 20s early 30s if you choose to stay single, you'll be lucky to have 1 or 2 friends you hang out with regulalry, probably a gym partner and one other guy who chose not to marry or something of that nature ..

So what you do is you join clubs and groups.
Yoga, dance, book club, coed sports leauges, volunteer etc etc.. And viola every class or group is a whole new group of women to build rapport with.
You haven't seen it but it is there for sure, often differentiated by wealth and what circles you run in, happens all the time in NYC with scenes and groups.

Fashion scene with models? Older guys with status and guys a part of that scene get those girls.

High finance guys? Tons of them have their bro circle they run with, find these guys in high end night clubs all the ****ing time.

With hot girls in general, there is a scene that they are a part of and a world they run in. Guys in that world get them and guys not a part of that world are often invisible to them. RSD's Luke talks about this in great detail and though I think RSD is garbage, the guy had a great point about this very scene.

It is also very common for people to remain single past the age of 30 these days, kind of the norm in NYC.

H3ll, even certain areas have social circles attached to them. Williamsburg and Murray Hill themselves have their own social circle hookup culture going on. Hot girls NEVER grow out of that stuff.
 

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You haven't seen it but it is there for sure, often differentiated by wealth and what circles you run in, happens all the time in NYC with scenes and groups.

Fashion scene with models? Older guys with status and guys a part of that scene get those girls.

High finance guys? Tons of them have their bro circle they run with, find these guys in high end night clubs all the ****ing time.

With hot girls in general, there is a scene that they are a part of and a world they run in. Guys in that world get them and guys not a part of that world are often invisible to them. RSD's Luke talks about this in great detail and though I think RSD is garbage, the guy had a great point about this very scene.

It is also very common for people to remain single past the age of 30 these days, kind of the norm in NYC.

H3ll, even certain areas have social circles attached to them. Williamsburg and Murray Hill themselves have their own social circle hookup culture going on. Hot girls NEVER grow out of that stuff.
Ok. I'll take that.
But if op was rich or a model living in N.Y. he wouldn't be on so suave or rsd.
 

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There are lucrative social circles out there that not only give you access to pvssy but jobs and other sources of income as well. Idk how to get in one of these because I wasn't Chandler Braxton with a BMW in high school and top frat guy in Sigma Chi.
 

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Also, if OP can't make it In NYC then there's a serious issue. You have the most single women available to you out of any other city in the country. In addition, looks wise, the competition isn't that bad. Even if there are social circles they are easier to penetrate because it's a liberal money hungry environment. In the south, social circles can be as old as fvcking kindergarten. Also, single people in their 30s sounds great. Down here, people start getting married right after high school and by 25 there's not that many single women left to pick because they are mostly married off.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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In college it was clear as you had to rush the right fraternity and get them to bid you but after college, I wonder how this even works. We all know status helps a lot in regards to pulling attractive women but it seems like cold approach and online dating are only options that exist after college.

So these elite social circles that hot girls seem to run in, how do you even get access to these sorts of circles after college?

Think about what women like to do.... social climb. Now think about how and where they do that. Typically you'll find women at professional social events. So depending on what career you work there are always professional associations for that type of work. The bonus is that these associations also provide network opportunities for career advancement.

Volunteer work is another place that you can find women.

Other charitable social events work as well.

All of these events put women in touch with the movers and shakers, hence the reason they go to advance their careers and/or meet men.

The more money involved and the more prestige for an event the hotter women attend. Attending is a sort of social proof because these events filter out those who do know where to go, those that may lack ambition/networking chops etc.
 

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You could get into to those social circle you speak off... in a lot of ways, just join the nearest bike club or the hipster cyclist club. Whatever b.s is out there. It's not rocket science.
 
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