How Do Women Really Determine that a Man Might Have Good Genes?

[Frank2500]

I was curious to hear what you guys think, folks. In this superficial American dating culture, what do you think are some of the manifestations and clues women see in particular men that lead them to conclude that they have good genes and consequently become interested in procreating with them? Are there any other physical manifestations some of these women look for besides a guy being toned and muscular? We've talked on this forum many times about women who as unfair a decision it may be, leave the good men who have stood by them for most of their lives and go on to have children with other men who they felt perhaps had characteristics their original mates were lacking in.


I had an experience at my gym yesterday that was quite interesting, at least to me. I wish it had come from the mouth of a woman, but I am yet to come across a woman who has ben that direct with me. I agree with you guys that when you work out consistently and your body develops, you don't even notice it half as much as strangers. Many times I still feel as if I haven't changed that much since I began hitting the gym two years ago, in terms of physical build.


I was using one of the triceps machines at my gym yesterday and had one of these under armour long sleeve shirts that seems to fit my physique quite well-biceps, triceps and abs, which I have been working on extremely hard. One of the front desk receptionists at my gym, a guy came up and asked me if I played sports. I said "no," and I was curious as to why he asked, and he told me it was because of the way I looked. He asked me if I had always looked like that and I told him "no," that I pretty much try to keep away from diets high in fat such as fries, deep fried foods, etc. But then I felt quite uncomfortable when he proceeded to tell me his name, shake my hand, and ask me what was mine. Although I told him, I also added, "this gym has some really hot chicks here. I gotta make sure I hustle with and hook up with quite a couple of them," so that in case he were gay and had a motive behind introducing himself for me, he would see that I don't engage in that kind of lifestyle.


But his comments at least made me possibly start to understand what some of the women in my gym who may have noticed me might also be seeing and also some of the things those women tend to check out in men in general.

 

[drmeathead]

lift for you. lift because you like the challenge you vs iron, because you like the post work out pump, because there is nothing like trying on an old shirt and seeing it is too tight in the shoulders to wear, because of the satisfaction you get pushing yourself to the best you can, not for chicks, not for the gays, not for any other reason than you.

 

[Frank2500]

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Well put, dr.meathead-very funny user name, I know you certainly aren't a meat head, lol-. When I do work out I definitely do it for myself, not for others. It's unfortunate though, to really see how superficial the dating culture of this country is, anyway.

 

[Frank2500]

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And I have to add, getting attention from a gay male makes me very uncomfortable. It's definitely the wrong kind of attention. That seems to be an unfortunate price to pay to some degree from working out constantly. All of a sudden you walk on the street during the summer for example, and dudes wearing pink T-shirts or walking funny with their heads dangling from left to right start checking you out. I'm so glad none of them has dared hit on me because I will feel very insulted. I hope it never happens. It's a shame what society is becoming. I walk all over Philadelphia these days and I see men walking around with women's hair styles, wearing those silk/cotton-like long boots women wear in winter, etc. Some of them you sometimes won't even be able to tell they are men if you don't look carefully. It's sad.

 

[joekerr31]

in american society today its very simple....

fat people should be killed.
fit people are gods.

i dont see it that way, but most people do. if your body fat is under 12% and you have a moderate amount of muscle, chics will get wet just looking at you.

the irony to all this is that being fit versus fat tells you absolutely nothing (or at least close to nothing) about a persons genes. all it tells you about is their lifestyle.

we've all seen some fat chics who lose weight and become drop dead gorgeous. and the same goes for guys as well.

anyway, 50% of the fit people you see in the gym will turn into lard *sses once they get married and have kids.

ive been watching america's biggest losers this year, and there are a couple of women on that show who once they get rid of their fat are going to be pretty hot.

 

[StevenR]

And I have to add, getting attention from a gay male makes me very uncomfortable. It's definitely the wrong kind of attention. That seems to be an unfortunate price to pay to some degree from working out constantly. All of a sudden you walk on the street during the summer for example, and dudes wearing pink T-shirts or walking funny with their heads dangling from left to right start checking you out.

Don't ever go to the SF Bay Area then, I used to live in that area, you would hate it there. I don't mind gays as long as they don't try to fool you into thinking they are a woman. That is their lifestyle and I don't care what they do with their lives. One of my brothers happens to be gay but he is too afraid to even tell the parents, poor guy. And it is also quite clear not that it is genetic so don't give me any of that BS about his(my) parents didn't raise him right.
As far as the gym, when I did go regularly(trying to again now), I did it mostly because it made me feel good, gave me lots of energy and kept me from being depressed. It never helped me get girls much when I did do it for some reason. I find it more intrinsically rewarding to go to the bookstore and see the latest interesting books that came out then spend the time in the gym, and only did it for the results it gave me and for its "feel good" value afterwards.

An interesting person to read who studies this kind of thing(sociobiology) is Randy Thornhill, also Richard Dawkins has some interesting ideas in his selfish gene hypothesis.

we've all seen some fat chics who lose weight and become drop dead gorgeous. and the same goes for guys as well.

This is because men prefer a certain waist to hip ratio, 0.7 to be precise, because this signals optimal levels of estrogen and high fertility. If a woman becomes obese she loses that optimal W/H ratio and develops more of a pear shaped figure, which men are not naturally attracted to because it doesn't signal fertility in her. They may as well be men as far as mens attraction hormones are concerned(but then there are some men who prefer fatties, the theory breaks down at that point but I am sure there is also an explanation for that as well). Anyway, thought I would contribute my .02.

 

[synergy1]

lift for you. lift because you like the challenge you vs iron, because you like the post work out pump, because there is nothing like trying on an old shirt and seeing it is too tight in the shoulders to wear, because of the satisfaction you get pushing yourself to the best you can, not for chicks, not for the gays, not for any other reason than you.

I don't know where this is from, but someone who is pretty high up the chain in professional sports had this in their online profile.

Do you remember why you play, or has it been too long? Is it because you've worked too hard to get where you are, or because you love to be part of a team? Is it because you don't want to let anyone down, or yourself? Somewhere behind the athlete you've become, the hours of practice, the coaches who pushed you, the teammates who believed in you, and the fans who cheered for you, is the little boy who picked up a stick-who fell in love with the game and never looked back. Play for him.

The mentality of my friends is to go to the gym for someone else. They want to look good for a girl, vacation, friends, or even their wives/husbands. This has always provided temporary results for them, but nothing permanent nor profound. The reason professional athletes are rare is because the mindset is rare. All genetic physical makeup aside, I think a lot of us who are gym rats/ athletes find that our mindset is distant from the average lazy American.

 

[Rudra]

hey let´s wait another 5 years, and as routine part of the first date you´ll be handed a Q-tip by the beotch.. to swap the inside of your mouth. Genetic profiling, complete home user set for 99 bucks, Craig Venter Corp. To weed out that sorry genetic loser that only steals your time.

Watch the movie Gattaca.. then think about what ideas it might give to beotches... scary.

 

[##17]

I was curious to hear what you guys think, folks. In this superficial American dating culture, what do you think are some of the manifestations and clues women see in particular men that lead them to conclude that they have good genes and consequently become interested in procreating with them? Are there any other physical manifestations some of these women look for besides a guy being toned and muscular? We've talked on this forum many times about women who as unfair a decision it may be, leave the good men who have stood by them for most of their lives and go on to have children with other men who they felt perhaps had characteristics their original mates were lacking in.


I had an experience at my gym yesterday that was quite interesting, at least to me. I wish it had come from the mouth of a woman, but I am yet to come across a woman who has ben that direct with me. I agree with you guys that when you work out consistently and your body develops, you don't even notice it half as much as strangers. Many times I still feel as if I haven't changed that much since I began hitting the gym two years ago, in terms of physical build.


I was using one of the triceps machines at my gym yesterday and had one of these under armour long sleeve shirts that seems to fit my physique quite well-biceps, triceps and abs, which I have been working on extremely hard. One of the front desk receptionists at my gym, a guy came up and asked me if I played sports. I said "no," and I was curious as to why he asked, and he told me it was because of the way I looked. He asked me if I had always looked like that and I told him "no," that I pretty much try to keep away from diets high in fat such as fries, deep fried foods, etc. But then I felt quite uncomfortable when he proceeded to tell me his name, shake my hand, and ask me what was mine. Although I told him, I also added, "this gym has some really hot chicks here. I gotta make sure I hustle with and hook up with quite a couple of them," so that in case he were gay and had a motive behind introducing himself for me, he would see that I don't engage in that kind of lifestyle.


But his comments at least made me possibly start to understand what some of the women in my gym who may have noticed me might also be seeing and also some of the things those women tend to check out in men in general.

Seriously? I think the moderators should stop you from posting anymore until you give us an update on the hottie at the gym, and how you approached her.