How do I confront a habitual liar who pretends high IL?

[alpha_ash]

Hey guys, one of the girls I am seeing this week had been lying to me quite regularly. I pretended like I didn't know she was lying and played along just to see how far she went with the lies.

Now my concern is that I want to see this ***** and next her. But before I do, on this one last date (she invited me), I want to make it clear and get her to admit her lies!

The reason I know she lied is because of Facebook, my inherent ability to read people, and because of contradictory information from her.

How can I go about doing that? I am not invested much so I am not losing anything.

 

[Mike32ct]

Women never admit to lying. Anyway, there's not really enough information anyway. What did she lie about?

 

[alpha_ash]

Women never admit to lying. Anyway, there's not really enough information anyway. What did she lie about?

Quite a bit. She lied about what she was doing on certain days, she lied about being in a relationship, she lied about herself (the type of person she is when describing herself), etc. quite a barrage of lies.

 

[alpha_ash]

Alpha,

There are two ways of dealing with girls who pull $hit.

• One is if you want them to fell short-term pain. You do this by calling them out on their crap. You get in their face and show them the facts. They will feel cornered, angry, and will hate you as a result of this. It will ruin their entire day.
• The other option is to completely disappear from their life and go ghost, meaning no contact with them whatsoever. No replies to VM's or texts. Delete and block them from facebook. They will think about you, wonder where you went, why you left, and what they did wrong. This will ruin their decade.

If you want to get back at a girl, which method do you think is best?

Haha 2nd! Lets do this ****! There's a limit to treating me like **** even if you give up sex. I can't stand for lies.

 

[bukowski_merit]

Quite a bit. She lied about what she was doing on certain days,

I'm more concerned with how you know this... I don't really care what a woman is doing unless she was my actual woman; not just another plate (and even then - i only sparingly care).

If you asked her to do something, and she said she couldn't for reason "x" but it was really because of reason "y".... Well.... That's kind of normal amongst modern women. And mostly because of the overly jealous attitude most men have....

I'm by no means saying it's men's fault that women lie... But women definitely learn early that telling the truth about "y" will normally not end well.

she lied about being in a relationship,

So, she's in one and told you she wasn't? Or she's not in one and told you she was? Two very different scenario's there.

she lied about herself (the type of person she is when describing herself), etc.

This is... no big deal... You can't expect a woman (or most people) to know how they really are when they describe themselves...

How many women say "I'm not like any other woman you've ever meant" and then turns out to be exactly like every other woman you've meant?

quite a barrage of lies.

Well then, don't take her serious. Bust her balls all the time about not believing her on things. And keep the relationship sex only.

 

[Alvafe]

yeah I kinda understand you take her on her lies because most of time she tells you one thing then tells you another things who invalidate the former, but in any case we kinda need more info on this

though if her lies is taht annoying to you, you can simple you said she invited you, so you just do like woman do cancel the date a couple hours before and never contact her again

 

[incognito42]

Girls are irrational and if they're full of bullsh1t they will just deflect the blame and turn it around on you, or look at you like you're creepy or weird or obsessed and you will come off like you are more invested in them than they are in you.

Calling girls out on their bullshyt is a losing strategy and will make you look like a loser no matter how right you are. Just pick up and walk away

 

[alpha_ash]

I see what you are all saying, even the person making excuses for this girl

She lied that she wasn't in a relationship when she actually was.

 

[bukowski_merit]

I see what you are all saying, even the person making excuses for this girl

What I'm saying is that you're going to have a very hard time finding a woman who doesn't lie about what they're doing, etc. Mainly because of their past experiences dealing with AFC men ("you're going to the bar with your friends instead of hanging out with me?!?!?" whaaa").... I can go into great detail about how showing a woman you're (as Tyler called it) "Secret Society" (aka: you understand) can change this.... But for the most part - it's better not to worry about such things. Be more concerned about what you're doing with your night and not what she is.

She lied that she wasn't in a relationship when she actually was.

This probably means she's open to a sexual relationship with you.



If you're looking for a girlfriend - stay far far away. But otherwise, what's all this commotion about? Fvck her or move on (if you don't believe in fvcking OPP)....

 

[pinkfl]

Just tell her that you do not appreciate dishonesty and walk away. Why go on one last date? She already proved she was wasting your time. What good is spending more of your life on her?

 

[yyc12]

Haha 2nd! Lets do this ****! There's a limit to treating me like **** even if you give up sex. I can't stand for lies.

Seriously??? Dude it's not worth it. Prove that you're the bigger person and besides, do you really have time to waste? Just let her go.

 

[Burroughs]

You are not 'invested' much so you say but you are wasting your precious time seeing her? You know she is a liar and yet you squander your time?

Time is our most precious asset

What the fvck is wrong with you?

 

[sageproduct]

I can go into great detail about how showing a woman you're (as Tyler called it) "Secret Society" (aka: you understand) can change this

Got a spare moment to go ahead and splurge on practical details?

I've spent the last half an hour reading about the "Secret Society" after seeing your post. I wanted to save you the trouble of typing stuff out, but it seems I can only find the theory out there, no one's really laying down how to apply it...

 

[bukowski_merit]

Got a spare moment to go ahead and splurge on practical details?

I've spent the last half an hour reading about the "Secret Society" after seeing your post. I wanted to save you the trouble of typing stuff out, but it seems I can only find the theory out there, no one's really laying down how to apply it...

I'm sure it could be applied in different ways. Having the reputation and running with a circle of friends who also have the reputation (of being male*****s). Having access to drugs or sex parties, etc. would probably work too.

My personal self - i explore a woman's sexual history within the first 5 minutes of knowing her most of the time. My frame is sex sex sex... They accept it, or they're blown out quick.

When talking sex...

I accept the "dritiest" things they've ever done when they tell me.

I high five them and smile at dirty things they say. "That's kinky as sh!t!! I love it!"

What they see now is a guy who isn't going to be jealous of their past; isn't going to get jealous if they're fvcking other guys, isn't scared to esplore their inner most taboo desires.

This will get to the point where a woman will openly tell me she's screwing other guys. And will openly tell me that they don't know I exist.... When pressed for why I know and the other guys don't, it's always "because you're different."

This is at least 50% of it.... The rest - would fill a book.

But in my opinion - this is a big reason women in my life are so much more open with me....

 

[Buddha_Mind]

OP -- How about going total NC -- go Ghost. This woman is trouble. Who cares. Let her actions bring her own consequence and go on with your own life!

 

[Buddha_Mind]

I'm sure it could be applied in different ways. Having the reputation and running with a circle of friends who also have the reputation (of being male*****s). Having access to drugs or sex parties, etc. would probably work too.

My personal self - i explore a woman's sexual history within the first 5 minutes of knowing her most of the time. My frame is sex sex sex... They accept it, or they're blown out quick.

When talking sex...

I accept the "dritiest" things they've ever done when they tell me.

I high five them and smile at dirty things they say. "That's kinky as sh!t!! I love it!"

What they see now is a guy who isn't going to be jealous of their past; isn't going to get jealous if they're fvcking other guys, isn't scared to esplore their inner most taboo desires.

This will get to the point where a woman will openly tell me she's screwing other guys. And will openly tell me that they don't know I exist.... When pressed for why I know and the other guys don't, it's always "because you're different."

This is at least 50% of it.... The rest - would fill a book.

But in my opinion - this is a big reason women in my life are so much more open with me....

There could be some merit to this...girls more than anything want to be accepted...ANYTIME I have rejected a woman's past sexual history that she has shared with me, it wedges an emotional/sexual plank between us...at least it did in the past...acceptance is huge..and the hard part is knowing what you yourself are willing to accept!

 

[Naughty Ninja]

Hey guys, one of the girls I am seeing this week had been lying to me quite regularly. I pretended like I didn't know she was lying and played along just to see how far she went with the lies.

Now my concern is that I want to see this ***** and next her. But before I do, on this one last date (she invited me), I want to make it clear and get her to admit her lies!

The reason I know she lied is because of Facebook, my inherent ability to read people, and because of contradictory information from her.

How can I go about doing that? I am not invested much so I am not losing anything.

Some chicks get off on feigning high IL because they are AW's and love the reactions they get off of their actions. These types are most likely doing the same sh1t to other dudes as she is to you.

Once you become Zen like and uneffected by their nonsense you simply view them as children seeking attention in any way shape or form.

A negative reaction will be just as much a high for her as will a positive one. And she'll know either way you have fallen for her "charms".

There's an 18 yo who tries that nonsense on me at my part time. And she HAS to know (even if she doesn't suspect my real age) that I'm much older than her. So she gets herself off on safe flirting with me and acting like she's "down".

Now this chick in my post is a petite little hottie. Though I'm not fooled in the least that she "really" likes me more than just a safe flirt and that she isn't doing the same sh1t to God knows how many other dudes.

The best thing to do with those types is maintain normal interactions with them, take all their words with a grain of salt, and play dumb to their game. (I find it amusing. Almost like when you hear a dude talk sh1t and you feed them just to amuse yourself with how delusional they are and clueless to them they think you are.) Let them play themselves, NOT you. Don't show emotions. Positive or negative as they are feeding and fishing for them. Once they see you simply don't give a damn (indifferent) they'll either drop the nonsense and their draws on their own as you aren't giving them what they want though highly unlikely they ever planned on giving it up or they'll disappear looking for the next dudes emotional "fix" they crave.

Get over yourself and your ego. Don't rely on some chick to boost your self esteem and or confidence. Some have nothing better to do than play kid games for their own obvious insecurities. There's no point in rationalizing, explaining or confronting them on their nonsense. They don't care about that. Only the "fix" they get by pressing buttons, and ANY reaction from you or whomever else they are playing the game with.

 

[Naughty Ninja]

I'm sure it could be applied in different ways. Having the reputation and running with a circle of friends who also have the reputation (of being male*****s). Having access to drugs or sex parties, etc. would probably work too.

My personal self - i explore a woman's sexual history within the first 5 minutes of knowing her most of the time. My frame is sex sex sex... They accept it, or they're blown out quick.

When talking sex...

I accept the "dritiest" things they've ever done when they tell me.

I high five them and smile at dirty things they say. "That's kinky as sh!t!! I love it!"

What they see now is a guy who isn't going to be jealous of their past; isn't going to get jealous if they're fvcking other guys, isn't scared to esplore their inner most taboo desires.

This will get to the point where a woman will openly tell me she's screwing other guys. And will openly tell me that they don't know I exist.... When pressed for why I know and the other guys don't, it's always "because you're different."

This is at least 50% of it.... The rest - would fill a book.

But in my opinion - this is a big reason women in my life are so much more open with me....

This 1000%. You get them to open up and not care what they've done or are doing. Then you pump and dump them and not get involved. Or myself personally would just take that knowledge and disappear. I've got no time for dealing with trash who randomly do God knows what with whomever.

Half the kinky sh1t these chicks think they've done is NOTHING compared to what I have in a creative mind. Though I'd prefer to keep that to myself and a girlfriend. Me for her and her for me. I see no sense in cheating or getting involved with chicks I know are a waste from jump. I've got better things to do.

 

[sageproduct]

I'm sure it could be applied in different ways. Having the reputation and running with a circle of friends who also have the reputation (of being male*****s). Having access to drugs or sex parties, etc. would probably work too.

My personal self - i explore a woman's sexual history within the first 5 minutes of knowing her most of the time. My frame is sex sex sex... They accept it, or they're blown out quick.

When talking sex...

I accept the "dritiest" things they've ever done when they tell me.

I high five them and smile at dirty things they say. "That's kinky as sh!t!! I love it!"

What they see now is a guy who isn't going to be jealous of their past; isn't going to get jealous if they're fvcking other guys, isn't scared to esplore their inner most taboo desires.

This will get to the point where a woman will openly tell me she's screwing other guys. And will openly tell me that they don't know I exist.... When pressed for why I know and the other guys don't, it's always "because you're different."

This is at least 50% of it.... The rest - would fill a book.

But in my opinion - this is a big reason women in my life are so much more open with me....

Interesting, thanks. I really wanted to learn more about this, but I'm pretty sure I don't want to pay for Tyler Durden's book.

I assume you do this with women you meet in the daytime as well as at night. I remember reading a couple posts you made years ago where you said you meet tons of women at work. Is this still the case? That you are surrounded by pivots who DHV you sexually, and somehow you break the sexual barrier VERY quickly anytime you meet a new woman?

 

[Trump]

Hey guys, one of the girls I am seeing this week had been lying to me quite regularly. I pretended like I didn't know she was lying and played along just to see how far she went with the lies.

Now my concern is that I want to see this ***** and next her. But before I do, on this one last date (she invited me), I want to make it clear and get her to admit her lies!

This girl has not insulted you or put you down. She just doesn't like what she sees in you and thinks its ok to lie, so your ego is bruised and now you want to retaliate. To call her out because she hasn't played the game the way you want will make you look foolish and innocent. Its like getting mad at the other team for scoring too many touchdowns, doesn't make sense.

She has nothing illegal or insulted you, so instead of getting mad at her for making your head spin, make her head her spin by improving your know how and game.

"You can't pretend to like me! I need everything straightforward, to the point, no games, no funny business, no lies, just straight sex all day everyday the way I see in porn movies."

Come on guys, step your game up.