"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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TheZinc

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but she could have told me right away when i asked her out instead of waiting longer to drop it and keeping the suspense, and instead telling it in the most awkward way which OF COURSE creates awkwardness, and when i ask her that i want to talk shes gets on her high horse about avoiding me because she thought i was attracted to her? COME ON! i think i have decent enough excuse.. for my action even thought it was unnecessary and over-done.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Iceberg

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TheZinc said:
THIS has nothing to do with desperation or lack of female contact.
no it took her two months to tell me she had a bf, as soon as i found
So you're saying to took you two months to ask her out. If you had asked her out in week #1, that would have saved you how many weeks of frustration?

That was my point.


She would get very strange and weird when we were alone and not the bad kind, like the nervous "omg! his actually spending time with me".
See, here's the thing. I'm good with girls now. Years ago, I was similar to you. And now that I'm good with girls, I NEVER notice things like "OMG he's spending time with me" nervousness....But when I was bad with girls, I probably noticed stuff like that. Know why? Because I imagined it.

You find a girl you like, and maybe she likes you too, so now everything she does becomes some reflection of liking you.

Talks to you everyday? She loves you.
Offered to drive you to your car? She loves you.
Other acts of kindness? She loves you.

You're spending too much time reading signs and signals and not enough time asking these girls out.


since i dont understand why anyone would act this way otherwise?
Perhaps because she thought you were a cool, attractive guy.
 

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One thing I have noticed on this site over the years is the huge number of guys that think a particular girl is interested in them sexually or romantically, when they really aren't. I see that ALL the time. I blame it 100% on the male ego.
 

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TheZinc said:
but based on what i am seeing, my approach was completely whack and i have completely lost any possible chance..
FUN!
any suggestions as to how i should have acted?
If you're talking to a girl for a week or two in class and getting a good vibe, just invite her to something fun. "Hey, there's a jazz show in the park this weekend. Come with me."

It's not even your approach that was whack...it was your reaction to the rejection. If a girl rejects you, just move on. We're men. We fail and then we learn from our failures and keep moving. Women pout and send nasty emails.


TheZinc said:
but she could have told me right away when i asked her out instead of waiting longer to drop it and keeping the suspense, and instead telling it in the most awkward way which OF COURSE creates awkwardness,
So what? She's a girl. Stop expecting her to have a man's sense of logic.

Is this the first girl you asked out on a date? Holy sh*t.



and when i ask her that i want to talk shes gets on her high horse about avoiding me because she thought i was attracted to her? COME ON! i think i have decent enough excuse.. for my action even thought it was unnecessary and over-done.
You talked to a girl for 2 months and you asked her out. I've heard men complain less about the end of their marriages.

You need to loosen up. Rejection is a part of the game. You seem way too uptight about this. I dont even think you're ready to date a girl. You need to go back to basics. Rebuild.
 

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i see a few problems with your situation. first of all dont get offended by a lot of the things everone else on this post have been saying. for the most part they all have very valid points.

#1 you should have asked her out right away. she may have been attracted to you at some point, she wanted you to make a move but you didnt. and because you waited so long to make your move she may have put you in the friend zone.

#2 i dont believe she even had a bf. girls use that excuse all the time, and most of the time its just a s.h.i.t test just to see how you'll react. you failed miserably, now she thinks you are a creepy, needy guy, who might turn out to be a stalker. so there is probably no chance you will ever get with this girl. you should have acted like it didnt matter.

#3 the facebook deletion was inevitable, you really freaked her out by getting all upset about it.

#4 there may be a possibility that she was never attracted to you in the first place. she may have been nice to you and friend zoned you right away.

you will find that it wouldnt have mattered wether she had a bf or not. if she was attracted to you, she would have hooked up with you. would you have felt any differently if you hooked up with not knowing she had a bf? i think not. the other point i want to make is about your interactions with her. were you just talking about boring logical stuff, or were your conversations going sexual at any point? my guess is that there wasnt, and it was just mostly fluff talk. i also think that you showed too much interest too fast and strated acting differently, that freaked her out.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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