I was chatting with a hot female friend today about the dating scene and asked her what she thought "creepy" meant. Her response verbatim: An ugly guy with confidence. I laughed as it basically sums up the pickup community in a nutshell.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Hot girl's definition of creepy
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
oneboy21
Senior Don Juan
That chick is lame and stupid and she wants only hot looking guys to approach her, how grose
ha - pretty honest. I never really worry too much about creeping them out. If I don't put on a move I'll look like a pu55y to her, if I do and she thinks it's Suuuuper creeeepy then she wouldn't have wanted to hang out anyway so no big loss. My friends are so scared of looking creepy.
My friend's version of creepy is "a guy who is not in touch with reality" as in, he still persues her even after she sends the clear message of disinterest. I've seen a lot of ugly guys with confidence pull girls left and right. the trick is that they are calibrated and know when its going to work.
I would advice you not to focus too much on what girls have to say about pick up. The fear of coming across as creepy is what stops many afc's from getting laid. Even great looking guys with game can come across as creepy to some girls. Its all about brushing it off.
I would advice you not to focus too much on what girls have to say about pick up. The fear of coming across as creepy is what stops many afc's from getting laid. Even great looking guys with game can come across as creepy to some girls. Its all about brushing it off.
Upside
Senior Don Juan
To be honest she is spot on.
The homeless dude begging for change can be at the same "creep" level as some average dude at a party who hits on her and won't leave her alone/clings...but she finds finds him unattractive. I hate it when chicks refer to people as "creeps" and "creeper" so ****ing much. It's basically just used as a term to describe people in which girls find unattractive or doing unattractive behavior.
If a girl ever calls you a creep just take it as rejection (most of the time anyway) and move on. It's not like you are a pedophile with a van in the back alley luring children with your candy.
The homeless dude begging for change can be at the same "creep" level as some average dude at a party who hits on her and won't leave her alone/clings...but she finds finds him unattractive. I hate it when chicks refer to people as "creeps" and "creeper" so ****ing much. It's basically just used as a term to describe people in which girls find unattractive or doing unattractive behavior.
If a girl ever calls you a creep just take it as rejection (most of the time anyway) and move on. It's not like you are a pedophile with a van in the back alley luring children with your candy.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Doctrine Dark
Don Juan
Potentially coming off as creepy is probably the reason why I've never made a direct approach. I don't want to be referred to as such just because I want to have a decent convo with a woman.
PapiChulo
Master Don Juan
No way Jose! You can be ugly as f@&k, have a hook for an arm and be confident as anybody else because you have other qualities and things to show for it, or simply because you are at ease and don't care about anything. It's in fact the lack of confidence that makes you a creep to begin with. And the other thing is that creepy aka needy/clingy behavior one may exhibit, because there are guys out there who go after a woman like a terminator and eventually get it at some point. It's about how you behave, not how good-looking or persistent you are. I ve seen otherwise good-looking normal guys exhibit weird stalkerish behavior at times and it is a turn off. Please don't go into extreme situations where a complete looser tries to eagerly hit on a woman. Looks are a buffer that let's you get away with more!
evansblue said:
but wait??!! i thought women said they LIKED guys with confidence? isn't this one of the most popular characteristics most women find attractive in a guy?
my point is that this is yet again, another PRIME example of just how STUPID women are. they don't know what in the flying fvck they want. and you were a goofball to have listened to her and took her at her word. remember this, whenever a woman's mouth is moving and she's giving you dating advice, or telling you what kind of guy she likes, or what she finds attractive about guys.....she's lying. if that girl, or any girl for that matter told you the sky was blue, you'd be wise to believe it was brown, pink, or green.
Women want hot men. I'm quite goodlooking (I'm not going to lie, just so I come off as modest) and their initial attraction to me is always based on my looks. I actually have to be a real ******* before I scare them away. BUT there are two things to consider:
1) Women, like men, have different tastes. Not all women find the same guy attractive.
2) As a man it's pretty damn easy to become goodlooking. Work out, gain muscle, have a more defined jaw line. It's easy.
1) Women, like men, have different tastes. Not all women find the same guy attractive.
2) As a man it's pretty damn easy to become goodlooking. Work out, gain muscle, have a more defined jaw line. It's easy.
Poonani Maker
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heh, I get labelled a "creep" all the time, usually by fat girls (or rich girls) I'd never or never want to fvck anyway. I think it's hilarious that they think that by purview of my body language I'm hitting on them or her. Keep dreaming. These b!tches wish they had a man who could fvck em like I do. I find it very laughable. I really do think that I am that good at fvcking. Different strokes for different folks though. I'm all for even b!tches finding their "soul" mate. She can call me a creep all she wants cause I ain't hittin on her.
Believe me, I've had one as of July label me as a creep, I ended up fvking. Even after I fvcked her I still think that she wanted to think of me as a creep, but she couldn't resist. She wanted to hookup again, but I'm not in to snobby rich b!tches. They can masturbate to their cellphones for all I care. Fvck em.
Believe me, I've had one as of July label me as a creep, I ended up fvking. Even after I fvcked her I still think that she wanted to think of me as a creep, but she couldn't resist. She wanted to hookup again, but I'm not in to snobby rich b!tches. They can masturbate to their cellphones for all I care. Fvck em.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Drdeee
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Creepy girl is a fat pig wistling on your muscly looks and tight clothes, approaching you and grabbing your 6 pack and pecs. I'm sure they have qualities, but there are just so many options out there.
Single4Life
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Ignore her.
Women are more shallow than guys are. Fact.
There are 2 universal things that work on any woman on planet earth :
1) Money
2) Looks
If you have both, well, you will have to hire a security guard to keep all the crazy *****es off your lap.
then there is the third thing that works on SOME women on earth :
3) Confidence/style
So if you don't have the money or looks, you can still land a girl, but you will have to look harder for her.
Women are more shallow than guys are. Fact.
There are 2 universal things that work on any woman on planet earth :
1) Money
2) Looks
If you have both, well, you will have to hire a security guard to keep all the crazy *****es off your lap.
then there is the third thing that works on SOME women on earth :
3) Confidence/style
So if you don't have the money or looks, you can still land a girl, but you will have to look harder for her.
Alex DeLarge
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I have some really bad skin (acne and scarring) and I have never been called a creep when approaching girls. Probably because I don't act like a creep at all!
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All of you should read this. Especially Part 2.
All of you should read this. Especially Part 2.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Stagger Lee
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But that basically is what females really mean by "creepy". It means nothing more than a guy she isn't attracted to who has the confidence to approach her, and not anything tangible. It's just a shaming tool females use against guys they are not attracted to. We don't let shaming thwart us but the real problem is it can be used as a ****block tool by both women and men. I.E., "Man that guy is so creepy hahaha. Spread the word..."evansblue said:
The only debate we have here is how much does looks matter in being attractive to females. I'd say a lot more than the PUA community tends to believe. It's not all about looks but it is not all about confidence either. Both a certain level of looks and good appearance and confidence is needed.
On the other hand it is possible to be ugly with confidence and not be labeled creepy, but you have to have a good presentation and be entertaining and non threatening. You won't be getting much sex from most of the girls you approach especially the hot ones though.
Borknagar
Master Don Juan
Haha, I love the fact I've only been labeled it once in the last year, but it was quite the false label(seen a girl walking with friends, said,hi, she said you're creepy, probably said that to a ton of guys that night.... some peoples daughters....!)
I've seen a pretty boy called creepy before, after he tried to game some girls I was gaming, but walked away briefly, They came back to me and said "Why didn't you save us!". I thought for sure the pretty boy nailed it, he didn't touch em at all, I was touchy feely. But our approach was quite different, I have no idea what he was saying, but he did lean in a lot, vs me I didn't at all.
I've seen a pretty boy called creepy before, after he tried to game some girls I was gaming, but walked away briefly, They came back to me and said "Why didn't you save us!". I thought for sure the pretty boy nailed it, he didn't touch em at all, I was touchy feely. But our approach was quite different, I have no idea what he was saying, but he did lean in a lot, vs me I didn't at all.
Sir Psycho Sexy
Senior Don Juan
To all you guys who say you dont get called creepy or only called creepy every one in a while...9 out of 10 times the girl isnt going to tell you your creepy to your face, shes going to say it to her friends as soon as you turn around and walk away.
This new generation of young women are extremely shallow. They have grown up watching mtv trash brainwashing their minds into thinking all men should bow to the axe wound between their legs.
I think most girls would agree with what your friends response was, an ugly guy who has confidence...isnt our generation great?
This new generation of young women are extremely shallow. They have grown up watching mtv trash brainwashing their minds into thinking all men should bow to the axe wound between their legs.
I think most girls would agree with what your friends response was, an ugly guy who has confidence...isnt our generation great?
Alex DeLarge
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Who the fvck really cares if some trashbag thinks you're creepy? Tell her to fvck off and move on.
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.