Hot Girl Demands Good Dinner For Date. Smash Or Pass?

[corrector]

You can't say you want a trad-con woman and can't even provide for dates. What are you thinking?

 

[EyeBRollin]

I'm of the belief when a man and women are vibing and the chemistry is there, which is typically determined on first meet/date, then it shouldn't really matter what the hell they do.

It' shouldn't be about where you go and if a chick you're vibing well with would next you because you didn't take her out to a nice restaurant on first or second date, that should be a next for you. Wreaks of entitlement.

It does not matter what “should be,” it is what it is. Most women with any sense of upbringing are not giving up sex for free. A public semi-formal date is a bare minimum.

 

[member162951]

You can't say you want a trad-con woman and can't even provide for dates. What are you thinking?

It's about her demanding it that's the problem. I trust you understand the difference.

 

[EyeBRollin]

It's about her demanding it that's the problem. I trust you understand the difference.

How is that different from you demanding sex?

 

[member162951]

It does not matter what “should be,” it is what it is. Most women with any sense of upbringing are not giving up sex for free. A public semi-formal date is a bare minimum.

Where did I say she's giving it up for free? Can you quote where I said or even suggested that?

Again, it's about her "demanding" dinner and controlling the frame. If you're unable to understand that, I don't know what to tell ya.

There are plenty of things to do that don’t entail going to a formal restaurant. I actually know some very high quality women who dislike high end dining.

My gf is one. A cool pub with great apps, great vibe and music is more up her alley, same for me.

 

[corrector]

It's about her demanding it that's the problem. I trust you understand the difference.

It's about determining whether or not she is a high quality woman with a little or no body-count. Her demands being an issue depends more on who she is and if they are compatible.

 

[member162951]

How is that different from you demanding sex?

I don't "demand" sex, and don't believe men should demand sex.

Where are you getting this shyt? Not from anything I've posted.

 

[corrector]

I don't "demand" sex, where are you getting this shyt? Not from anything I've posted.

He is talking about the OP. The title of the thread is SMASH or PASS. Is that what you talk about a high quality woman or a hor?

 

[member162951]

He is talking about the OP. The title of the thread is SMASH or PASS. Is that what you talk about a high quality woman or a hor?

@EyeBRollin quoted MY post and asked me the question. I responded.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Again, it's about her "demanding" dinner and controlling the frame. If you're unable to understand that, I don't know what to tell ya.

There are plenty of things to do that don’t entail going to a formal restaurant. I actually know some very high quality women who dislike high end dining.

My gf is one. A cool pub with great apps, great vibe and music is more up her alley, same for me.

That’s cool, and what I meant. A public date including some food and activity. That is the bare minimum expectation from most females with an upbringing. Drinks only is fine for a first meeting, but to expect most women to put out from that alone is misguided. Would we want our daughters banging random dudes from the internet that bought her one drink and spent one hour with her at a bar? We would call that slvt behavior.

 

[corrector]

We would call that slvt behavior.

The only type of girl you'd ask about smashing or passing and have a negotiation of terms.

Honestly, a thread like this where someone is preoccupied about the indirect price of engaging a woman sounds like the same mindset of an escort thread. Sounds like she deserves better anyway.

 

[EyeBRollin]

The only type of girl you'd ask about smashing or passing and have a negotiation of terms.

Honestly, a thread like this where someone is preoccupied about the indirect price of engaging a woman sounds like the same mindset of an escort thread.

The way some guys talk these days, a common girl is worth less than an escort. At least the escort has a price. Usually >$100. Guys are expecting first date sex from a drink.

 

[member162951]

That’s cool, and what I meant. A public date including some food and activity. That is the bare minimum expectation from most females with an upbringing. Drinks only is fine for a first meeting, but to expect most women to put out from that alone is misguided. Would we want our daughters banging random dudes from the internet that bought her one drink and spent one hour with her at a bar? We would call that slvt behavior.

Cool we agree.

My entire argument from the beginning has been about her wanting to control the frame, not that she wants to be taken out versus Netflix and Chill.

Did you even read my posts? Again, if she's unhappy with what the OP proposed (Netflix and Chill), politely decline the invite.

Versus what she did which was take charge, demand dinner and control the frame.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Just think how this entitled, spoiled princess will act a month in, two months in, six months in if this is how she acts now.

I would have lost all attraction and just walked personally. Major turnoff for me.

Also why being a good cook comes in handy because you just invite them over to cook with you. Far more investment and no need to invite them home since they are already there.

And I don't have to worry about gaining 3 lbs from their high sodium, preservative filled food they serve.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

My approach, but I'm older, as are my targets:

A drink date that can turn into more, like a trendy brewpub with good food. Or, given I pursue sporty chicks, I usually feel them out for a hike or walk on the beach. I always make sure logistics make sense as well. I also have a full gym, pool, and jacuzzi - sometimes it's "let's work out together!" or a jacuzzi or pool. Those ALWAYS turn into sex.

Having a beach, hike, gym, or pool date lets you see their bodies and usually less makeup, allowing for kino (what chick doesn't like the idea of holding hands walking barefoot on the beach?). At my age I want to know if a woman has a full range of motion and no fused vertebrae (they don't fare well in bed with me) - I've come across women with chronic back issues as low down in age as 30 - they are a NOGO - maybe an ONS, but no more. Exercise: oh, that hurts? just put your hands on her and give her a rub. Pool? Give me your sunscreen, and I'll do your back, then ask her to do yours (hopefully, you have a back definition that AMOG's Michaelangelo's David). This lets her touch your body without feeling too forward.

Women who are athletes love their bodies, take care of them, and often do not drink, and they are sure as hell not eating dayboat scallops slathered in a butter/caper sauce...chicks like that Persian-looking gal above - STEER FACKING CLEAR. The athletic types are VERY physical and confident, this is a massive plus for you.

Do you think any chick is going to want to swallow your sausage after filling up on a $45 entree and half a bottle of wine? Unlikely. Work smart boys.

 

[The Duke]

More mental investment in her bank account from the start (which increases female attraction) keeps a lot of these issues at bay.

The less happy a girl is about how she feels about you, the more she inserts herself into the situation and the less compliant she becomes.

From the start it was pretty clear that the OP made this about sex and drinking.

You either make mental deposits in their emotional bank accounts or monetary deposits.

The fact that she is now trying to dictate terms is a deal breaker for me. Not saying this girl isn't showing her true colors.

I like to get girls eating out of my hand, by developing the connection. Once I do they feel safe, are compliant, and want to please. I simply don't experience problems like this. I never mention sex either. I just set the stage for it . The suggestion for Netflix and chill didn't do you any favors. It's the wrong way to approach sex. Women aren't direct.

A man that knows how to create tingles(emotional connection)doesn't have to say anything about sex. He won't have to take her to a special restaurant in order to fuhk her either.

Do your job right and you get VIP treatment with out having to meet all the requirements and demands.

 

[The Duke]

Do you think any chick is going to want to swallow your sausage after filling up on a $45 entree and half a bottle of wine? Unlikely. Work smart boys.

Here's another pro tip for guys wanting to understand women better.

Set the stage for your success.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

More mental investment in her bank account from the start (which increases female attraction) keeps a lot of these issues at bay.

The less happy a girl is about how she feels about you, the more she inserts herself into the situation and the less compliant she becomes.

From the start it was pretty clear that the OP made this about sex and drinking.

You either make mental deposits in their emotional bank accounts or monetary deposits.

The fact that she is now trying to dictate terms is a deal breaker for me. Not saying this girl isn't showing her true colors.

I like to get girls eating out of my hand, by developing the connection. Once I do they feel safe, are compliant, and want to please. I simply don't experience problems like this. I never mention sex either. I just set the stage for it . The suggestion for Netflix and chill didn't do you any favors. It's the wrong way to approach sex. Women aren't direct.

A man that knows how to create tingles(emotional connection)doesn't have to say anything about sex. He won't have to take her to a special restaurant in order to fuhk her either.

Do your job right and you get VIP treatment with out having to meet all the requirements and demands.

Once a woman thinks all you want is sex either by your words or actions, she may want it too, but you are going to have to pull out your wallet in one way or another.

OP, you need a little more tact to what you are doing. Women want guys who want to fvck them. They don't want to be made to feel that's the only reason you are interested in them tho.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I like to get girls eating out of my hand, by developing the connection. Once I do they feel safe, are compliant, and want to please. I simply don't experience problems like this. I never mention sex either. I just set the stage for it . The suggestion for Netflix and chill didn't do you any favors. It's the wrong way to approach sex. Women aren't direct.

THIS X 1,000

Listen to this man, he knows what he’s talking about. And even if most of you think he’s ancient (he’s not), I bet he’s slaying waaaay more than most of you.

 

[Glassguy]

Yes. If she’s not a sloot, she wants a public date where you invest something before giving it up. If you bang without a date, she is a whvre. Lot of guys don’t want to admit this but it is true.

Good is subjective. It’s a red flag if she demands a five star restaurant. Any good tasting spot should be fine.

Spot on. I've had plenty of both. Some chicks will literally just come over to bang. No first date. Fun for sure, but also not someone I'm even going to OFFER a date to later on.

As @RangerMIke said in his reply to this thread, I like going out to decent restaurants. If a woman has clear value and we have at least chatted/talked on the phone and it seems like there is some chemistry (heavy screening), I have no problems going out to a place I'd want to eat at and invite her along.
In the grand scheme of things, what's an extra $40-$60 on a woman that has value and I already know the conversation will be good.

It all depends on the value of the women and what the intention with her is to you.