also mentioned that picking up through the use of personal hobbies is blue pill and Boomer era advice.
At best, it's a partial truth, which is better than a lot of blue pill advice. It can happen, but not likely.
bring the Boomer generation into the discussion. Right now, in 2022, Baby Boomers are between 58-76 years old. When the Boomers were younger, being a beta male wasn't quite the death sentence in the mating environment that it has been in subsequent generations. If you consider the older Boomers (think 1946-1955 births, 67-76 years old today), they mainly came of age in the 1960s-1970s. While things were changing in that era, there were still elements of more traditional times in place. I would call the 1960s-1970s a confusing time but those 2 decades were the last vestiges of a time whem traditional monogamous marriage could work and Western culture supported it. You could still be a beta male in the 1960s-1970s and women would still desire you, even in their prime years. Even though birth control was a thing in the 1970s, the typical woman in the 1970s got married younger than 2000-present, and also entered a marriage with fewer past sexual partners.
Because you could still be a beta male if you were born in the late 1940s and 1950s and have a decent mating experience, there are Boomers still alive today that have had a decent woman life over the course of their lives. Had these Boomer males with beta traits been born in the first half of the Millennial generation (1980s births), they would have been borderline incel or fully incel without having a good social circle.
The youngest Boomers and early Gen X'ers came of age at the end of the 1970s and throughout the 1980s. The changes of the 1960s-1970s were more embedded into the culture by the 1980s, but even during the 1980s, being a beta wasn't as bad as being a beta post-2000. You could be an early Gen X'er (1965-1971 birth) and still have had positive experiences in the 1980s.
The 1990s, primarily the era of Gen X'ers, is when being a beta male became a bad thing. With that said, I would argue that the Gen X'ers had a healthier mating environment overall than the Millennials who followed them. Gen Z is now coming into the mating environment. Millennials didn't really start coming into the mating environment until around 2000. I'm an early Millennial at age 39, and I asked out my first girl as a junior in high school in Fall 1999.
Millennials were the first full generation where being a beta male was a sexual death sentence in the absence of a solid social circle. I would also argue that Boomer betas were less sissified than Millennials betas.
I have another line of commentary about hobbies. It is in relation to co-ed sports leagues and fitness class, both of which are in the realm of hobbies.
It is mainstream normie advice to both do fitness classes and co-ed sports leagues to avoid the bars and swipe apps.
Fewer men go to fitness class than one might think given how the ratios are in those classes. When I have gone to fitness classes, they've been strength, interval training/bootcamp, or kickboxing/boxing type classes. I do genuinely like these format of classes and perceive a benefit beside pickup. I don't perceive a benefit in bar attendance besides pickup
Most of the classes I have done have been some sort of high intensity interval training (HIIT) type variant. Example of this include cardio boxing/kickboxing, barbell weightlifting class, kettlebell class, and standard HIIT/bootcamp classes.
It doesn't matter which type of class you go to, all of them will have more females than males, so find a format that you like. A lot of men try to go to yoga class because yoga has gotten the most hype for pickup, but it's not necessary to pick yoga unless you genuinely enjoy yoga.
I have gotten dates from fitness classes over the years. All the classes I've gone to have had the commonality of being challenging from a pickup perspective. I've gone to classes at multiple places over the years. None of the places I went were overly social in my opinion, which somewhat defeats the purposes of the good ratios.
It is a little easier to approach in a fitness class than on the street due to the earbud factor. A lot of women simply aren't sociable in the moments before/after fitness class and give off body language that discourages approaches.
I participated in 2 different sports in co-ed sports leagues, mainly in order to get my penis wet. One of the sports I actually liked (volleyball, see volleyball comments earlier in thread), one I didn't like so much. I was disappointed in the mating outcomes from league participation.
Co-ed sports leagues can be considered a form of weak social circle game. They are not day game at all
. It’s pretty difficult to swoop into a co-ed kickball, softball, volleyball, or soccer league & directly arrange dates. First, there are more men than women in all these leagues. Nearly every other guy in these leagues is an unattached guy who is trying to get his penis wet in league because he read some advice article online or in a printed copy of a magazine about doing this. The only exceptions are the men who join teams with their girlfriends or wives. You can make friends in these leagues but chances are that the other men need sex as much as you do. If you’re able to develop a social circle from a co-ed sports league, realize it will take multiple seasons of participation in the league. So you’d better actually like that sport because playing that sport is often the only benefit of it.
With co-ed sports leagues, the majority of socialization occurs at the sponsor bar after the game. The game itself has little socialization. Your outcomes in co-ed sports leagues depend upon what happens at the sponsor bar, typically on a Sunday-Thursday night. In some leagues, the park/field/court is adjacent/walking distance to the sponsor bar. It is easier to talk to a woman after a game in a co-ed sports league than it would be to talk to a random woman at the grocery store, mall, or a bar. As a result, many men think that this will be game on easy mode, but it isn't like that at all.
Overall, I believe that fitness classes are generally a better option for pickup than co-ed sports leagues.