"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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V-A-L-U-E
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That is what it's all about.

The more valuable she thinks you are the more likely she is to sleep with you.

People always want to align with people with higher value.

That's why we act nervous if we meet a celebrity because we consider him as having higher value.

In order to get the girl you MUST have higher value in her eyes.

Being good looking for example is a form of value. However it usually isn't enough to get the 9s and 10s.

Here is an example.

Imagine a guy as good looking as Brad Pitt going to a bar. Women will check him out. The hot females will also notice that and will feel attraction, too.

Now imagine a guy walking in with an Armani suit, ten HB 10s walking behind him and he is waving around with 100$ bills.

Women will feel WAY more attraction for that guy than for the Brad Pitt looking guy because they want to suck value from him and make their lives better.

He has MORE VALUE than the other guy.

If you don't have all that you have to create the illusion that you have that by conveying it through believable stories.

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO SELL DREAMS!!!

Make her believe that you are the best guy there is in this world.

Lie if you have to.

Women and most people are value suckers. An alpha male is a value giver or at least pretends be one.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Do an example of an average joe and how he would "Pretend" to have "Value." I would like to see how you show value far superior then any other guy in the club right when you walk in, tell me what he does and how he acts if you cant seems you dont know what your preaching.
 

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I'm pretty sure Mystery already covered this, but what would you say constitutes value
 

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Noob it's {Attraction>Comfort>Seduction} > Relationship , and Mystery covered all of this.
 

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j0n024 said:
Do an example of an average joe and how he would "Pretend" to have "Value." I would like to see how you show value far superior then any other guy in the club right when you walk in, tell me what he does and how he acts if you cant seems you dont know what your preaching.
There are so many things that can raise your value in the venue.

Here are some examples.

You get to know the people that work in the club. (Social proof goes up)

Bring friends with you. Female friends are even better and let everyone see that you are the leader by walking in front of them.

Get clothes that make you stand out in a good way (Peacocking if you want to use PUA terms)

You are the social guy in the room. The guy that talks to everybody and has interesting things to say that hook people which makes them want to be around you.

Be the guy that especially girls want to hang around with.

Be very well groomed.

Have an identity and let people know. Make them know that you are a doctor or a musician or whatever.

The right bodylanguage and verbal communication skills is very important.

You convey in stories that you are the sh!t in a non bragging way to the people in the club.
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Pick up is a process.

You can't just walk into a club and people will be magically drawn to you.

You have to raise your value more and more while time goes by.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Stéphane said:
Noob it's {Attraction>Comfort>Seduction} > Relationship , and Mystery covered all of this.
I know, but most people on here still don't seem to get it.
 

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ChrizZ said:
You can't just walk into a club and people will be magically drawn to you.
How much experience can an 18 year old have with "going into clubs."
 

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Dongfu said:
How much experience can an 18 year old have with "going into clubs."
I have been going to clubs since I was 15. I'm from Europe.
 

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ChrizZ said:
I have been going to clubs since I was 15. I'm from Europe.
Cool, that changes my perception of you. I always pictured you as some ****y American kid. My bad.

But you are still 18. You seem to understand a lot, but your posting here where there are guys who have been around a little longer. It's good to be ambitious when you are young, but as you get older you will realize more that success with women isn't based on any "one" thread. In fact, it cant be given to you in a thread at all. And it's highly unlikely that if you could, it would be authored by a teenager, who is articulating on another pick-up guru's analogy.
 

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Cool, that changes my perception of you. I always pictured you as some ****y American kid. My bad.

But you are still 18. You seem to understand a lot, but your posting here where there are guys who have been around a little longer. It's good to be ambitious when you are young, but as you get older you will realize more that success with women isn't based on any "one" thread. In fact, it cant be given to you in a thread at all. And it's highly unlikely that if you could, it would be authored by a teenager, who is articulating on another pick-up guru's analogy.
Yes, but think about any hookup or gf you ever had.

She saw you as having higher value didn't she?

That's why hot chicks always go for the football jocks in high school, rich business men, musicians, gangleaders or drug dealers.

It's because they have higher value in their eyes because those people have something that every b!tch wants: POWER and the idea that those guys make their lives more exciting.

If power and having higher value than a woman doesn't get her, then what does?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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No your right, but it takes more then "higher value" to create interest. If you have higher value (like that nerd who's a millionaire), but you still can't create attraction, then girls still won't f*ck you.

Higher Value + Attraction = Interest

Also if you over value yourself, girls won't even try to get you. They will disqualify themselves, and then block all emotional connections in order to protect themselves from getting hurt.
 

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Stéphane said:
No your right, but it takes more then "higher value" to create interest. If you have higher value (like that nerd who's a millionaire), but you still can't create attraction, then girls still won't f*ck you.

Higher Value + Attraction = Interest

Also if you over value yourself, girls won't even try to get you. They will disqualify themselves, and then block all emotional connections in order to protect themselves from getting hurt.
Having higher value in her eyes IS Attraction!

That's why some people get away with lines like "So, do you come here often" and others get totally blown off.

If you over value yourself it's your job to give value to her by giving sincere compliments.
 

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Makes me think. I've been too focused on trying to seduce (aka kino etc) and while that's important I really need to raise my value and find ways to demonstrate that. Otherwise I'm going to have to keep hoping I get lucky with random hookups at parties. Hmm...

Thanks!
 

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You on the right track bro, but this higher value talk - its been said before a lot of times. Dont get mad at me bro, but making posts with that kind of title - you're not on that level in the game yet. You bite off more than you can chew right now. Do your thang, whatever works/doesnt work for you and share it. Don't be tellin people "only thread you will need you'll get any woman like that"
 

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ChrizZ said:
Having higher value in her eyes IS Attraction!

That's why some people get away with lines like "So, do you come here often" and others get totally blown off.

If you over value yourself it's your job to give value to her by giving sincere compliments.
WRONG! Attraction, and higher value are two seperate things. Just picture this you have that big gankster looking black guy, that gets all the girls wet, but when he tries to f*ck them they all say no. Because he's at the lowest level of the social pyramide, then the girl tells her girlfriends "oh, he's so hot, but I would never do that with him".

Then you have the small geeky guy that's a millionaire. Everyone should be attracted to him, but there not. He's just too AFC, nerdy, and doesn't get girls going wet.

IMO attraction, and higher value are two different things, you have more mystery to read.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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DJVladdy said:
You on the right track bro, but this higher value talk - its been said before a lot of times. Dont get mad at me bro, but making posts with that kind of title - you're not on that level in the game yet. You bite off more than you can chew right now. Do your thang, whatever works/doesnt work for you and share it. Don't be tellin people "only thread you will need you'll get any woman like that"
I'm not there yet, but being perceived as having higher value IS the only thing that matters when it comes to getting chicks.

"Spitting game" is just a tool to get to that stage.
 

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I'm not there yet, but being perceived as having higher value IS the only thing that matters when it comes to getting chicks.

"Spitting game" is just a tool to get to that stage.
:nono:
 

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WRONG! Attraction, and higher value are two seperate things. Just picture this you have that big gankster looking black guy, that gets all the girls wet, but when he tries to f*ck them they all say no. Because he's at the lowest level of the social pyramide, then the girl tells her girlfriends "oh, he's so hot, but I would never do that with him".

Yes, if the girl is a racist she will perceive him as having lower value.

Then you have the small geeky guy that's a millionaire. Everyone should be attracted to him, but there not. He's just too AFC, nerdy, and doesn't get girls going wet.

...which is a demonstration of LOWER VALUE because he doesn't have any social skills and is a pu$$y.


IMO attraction, and higher value are two different things, you have more mystery to read.
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Aight in that case, someone like Skip - a reagular guy with no special "high value" - he's doing it big.

Also, i don't know how social you are, but I know a couple of people that work in Dunkin Donuts and stayed back in 9th grade for three years, that get mad pvssy. One of those "pimps" almost got all belligerent in the club cuz my homie grabbed the butt of his gf. He saw me over my friend's shoulder, i was looking at his eyes like "don't even try anything dumb". So not much of a "gangsta" either. Where's his value at? lol
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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