"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Help with asking HB8.5 23 year old out.

Niterider450

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The problem is she works two jobs. Her day job she does not get a lunch break and her second shift job she only gets about 20 minutes so I am thinking of asking her this.
If you have time after you get off from your 1st job I would like to take you to lunch before you have to go to the second job.
Does this sound ok? By the way she is nurse and very hot and tall about 6'1 and probably gets hit on a lot but I sense some attraction.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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LMFAO

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Her being busy working like a dog all day is her problem, not your problem.

"If you have time..." - AFC material.

Simply do this:

"Let's grab a drink or a bite some time this week"

<wait for her to say yes sure>

"Cool, when's good for you?"
 

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Niterider450

The problem is she works two jobs. Her day job she does not get a lunch break and her second shift job she only gets about 20 minutes so I am thinking of asking her this.
If you have time after you get off from your 1st job I would like to take you to lunch before you have to go to the second job.
Does this sound ok? By the way she is nurse and very hot and tall about 6'1 and probably gets hit on a lot but I sense some attraction.
Dude get the HELL off of this forum and go to the General Discussion section! This section is for grown a.ss men! Grown a.ss men don't ask stupid, childish questions like, "How do I ask her out?" You ask her out by ASKING HER OUT you doofus. Either she says yes, no, maybe, or nothing at all...and whatever she says you DEAL with it as you move onto the next chick.
 

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Tenacity said:
Dude get the HELL off of this forum and go to the General Discussion section! This section is for grown a.ss men! Grown a.ss men don't ask stupid, childish questions like, "How do I ask her out?" You ask her out by ASKING HER OUT you doofus. Either she says yes, no, maybe, or nothing at all...and whatever she says you DEAL with it as you move onto the next chick.

Wow, that was SUCH a grown ass man response of yours...
 

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Tenacity said:
Dude get the HELL off of this forum and go to the General Discussion section! This section is for grown a.ss men! Grown a.ss men don't ask stupid, childish questions like, "How do I ask her out?" You ask her out by ASKING HER OUT you doofus. Either she says yes, no, maybe, or nothing at all...and whatever she says you DEAL with it as you move onto the next chick.
Well excuse me. I am older than you so show some respect to your elders.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Well, if you are OLDER than me....sir....then you should be beyond elementary questions. Plus your age is supposed to be displayed on this section of the Forum as well.
 

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Just ask, and don't think about it. There is no shortcut. Don't do lunch, that's too business-like, push for coffee or drinks after she gets off from work. Keep it cheap. Plan on her using her busy schedule to say no, though. Unless you know this is 100% true, she could of pre-prepped the situation to deter you from asking her out.

Either way, don't think about it, and the next time you run into her just ask. If she aches and moans and starts with the work BS, jet outta there and cut your losses.

Good luck.
 

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Just say: hey baby whats say I ask you out on a date, take you out to dinner, movie and drinks and later you can casually accuse me of rape.

DO NOT DATE AMERICAN WOMEN.
 

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