"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Help...I have oneitis and i dont care

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I need some serious help. Here is the background. I met this girl about a year ago and i was total afc for about 6 months until i found this site. So the last couple months i've been trying to make it known that im the one with more value than her. I met her at work and never thought about dating her. She got a different job about 6 months ago and we kind of split ways but talked on msn about 2-3 times a week. Usually about 1 hour convos, always stuff to talk about. Then i moved in to a place closer to her, Instead of being an hour a way i was 10 minutes. So a couple days ago she invited me to go miniture golfing with her and one of her girlfriends. So i agree and spent the time making sure her friend would "approve" me and to get some actual kino going. So i made a good impression and the next day she calls me and wants to come over with her friend. Initially i didn't really have feelings for her. So i told her to come over and we all got drunk. So it is the 2 girls, me and my roomate. So i take the girl i know up to my bedroom and we start kissing. So about 15 minutes pass and i grab her shirt and say "we should probably take this off"
her: I dont think so
me: thats fine
So about 10 more minutes of kissing and i repeat until she gives in. I had to do this for each piece of clothing (about 3 hours). I probably kissed every part of her body 50 times. Anyway i finally have sex with her (I was a virgin). I wasn't able to get off but i know she did. Anyway I know the girl lives with her boyfriend, who she has been with for over 4 years. There relationship is a little rocky right now. She has never cheated on him until me. At first i was like "yes! i finally had sex im sooooo happy! Now though, i just feel like shiatttt. I want this girl and i dont care that i want her. I know most of you will say im just falling for the first girl that has showed me attention but i really dont give a shiat. I talked to her today and she said things are gonna be wierd between us. also,
her: i always wanted to know what it was like
me: what?
her: having sex with someone other than my boyfriend, well now i know.
Anyway i asked her if she liked it and she said she wasn't sure. She still doesn't really show much interest, she just acts as like something happened that was no big deal. I've been pretty much doing the same thing. She said she's probably not gonna tell her boyfriend because shes scared that he would never talk to her again. Ok so thats the background and heres my question. I need to know what i should do to get her. I dont want to hear "forget about her, your just falling in love with the first girl that has showed you attention." As i said i dont care. Any other info you need ask. And Thanks.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I Love Life said:
Anyway I know the girl lives with her boyfriend, who she has been with for over 4 years.

her: i always wanted to know what it was like
me: what?
her: having sex with someone other than my boyfriend, well now i know.
Anyway i asked her if she liked it and she said she wasn't sure. She still doesn't really show much interest, she just acts as like something happened that was no big deal. I've been pretty much doing the same thing. She said she's probably not gonna tell her boyfriend because shes scared that he would never talk to her again.
WOW! Another cheating slut with a bf who has NO IDEA! And guys think they'd be safe after 4 years?

Anyways, she tested you out and obviously wasn't too impressed. If she was, she'd have repeated the experience. But now, she's settled her curiosity and is back with her bf - having lost nothing in the process.
 

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wayword said:
WOW! Another cheating slut with a bf who has NO IDEA! And guys think they'd be safe after 4 years?

Anyways, she tested you out and obviously wasn't too impressed. If she was, she'd have repeated the experience. But now, she's settled her curiosity and is back with her bf - having lost nothing in the process.
Ok this was last saturday i worked on sunday and she works and has school all day mon-thurs. so its not like she has had a chance to repeat the experience.
 

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Question: so the chick's friend was in your house while you were upstairs bangin her? So the chick's friend knows. So the boyfriend's gonna know soon, I'm guessing.

I need to know what i should do to get her.
Well, if that's all you need to know, then try

Not telling her to dump her bf.

Not trying to convince her using logic that she would be better off with you.

Not telling her "I want you and I don't care that I want you." Don't say anything like that.

Just take it slow, keep it light, try to invite her over for more bangin. Don't pressure her for any relationship.
 

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Ok this was last saturday i worked on sunday and she works and has school all day mon-thurs. so its not like she has had a chance to repeat the experience.
Yeah you are a real hero for messing with a girl that HAS a boyfriend. :down:
This does not warrant help from anybody on this board.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Well somehow I don't think you were her first outside of her BF in the last 4 years - seemed too easy didn't it?

Maybe her and her BF have an open relationship.
 

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Phyzzle said:
Question: so the chick's friend was in your house while you were upstairs bangin her? So the chick's friend knows. So the boyfriend's gonna know soon, I'm guessing.

The friend was messin around with my roommate and i dont think she would tell. But i really dont care if he knows.
 

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flexion_ said:
Well somehow I don't think you were her first outside of her BF in the last 4 years - seemed too easy didn't it?

Maybe her and her BF have an open relationship.
Im not gonna say i know for 100% that i was her first outside of her bf but the way she talks and the way her friends talk im about 99% its true. so should i take this as IOI or that she was just using me to figure things out?
 

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ProtoMan1 said:
Yeah you are a real hero for messing with a girl that HAS a boyfriend. :down:
This does not warrant help from anybody on this board.
I am not trying to be a hero, i just went for what i wanted. Selfish...yes i know.
 

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Why do you want a girl that cheats on her boyfriend so easily? If she did it to him she will more then likely do it to you.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Slevin said:
Why do you want a girl that cheats on her boyfriend so easily? If she did it to him she will more then likely do it to you.
Her boyfriend had this coming and i know she is not a slut. Please just give me advice on what i need to do and not ask me questions on why i am doing what im doing. Thanks.
 

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You have to be more dominant and charming than her bf. That being said, if it came down to it, her bf would probably still have an advantage just because they are together, unless they are about to break up.
 

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I Love Life said:
Her boyfriend had this coming and i know she is not a slut. Please just give me advice on what i need to do and not ask me questions on why i am doing what im doing. Thanks.
TROLL!!!
 

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Consent said:
You have to be more dominant and charming than her bf. That being said, if it came down to it, her bf would probably still have an advantage just because they are together, unless they are about to break up.
she told me they broke up like 2 weeks ago but she's still living with him. but now shes saying hes trying so hard to be with me and is having mixed feelings so i dont think they actually broke up. i think the problem is that they are so tied together financially. they both leased a house taken out loans and she really doesn't have anywhere else to go. but i sure as hell dont want her livin with me yet.
 

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Not necessarily a Troll. There are people who really are sincerely this clueless.

i know she is not a slut.
How do you know that? Do you have her under survaillance when she's playing mini-golf on weekends with other guys?

What makes you the ONLY other guy she's ever done this with? Because she told you?

Anyway, she does need to get her life in order before you even think about "getting" her.

Till then, keep it light, just be an FB . . . a c0ck for her to cry on in times of need.

Why be an emotional tampon, when you can be an emotional dildo?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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In France we have a saying, I will translate it to English as best I can.

'Bed with a dog and you are not better than a dog'

It is said more eloquently in France but it has the same meaning.
 

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Phyzzle said:
How do you know that? Do you have her under survaillance when she's playing mini-golf on weekends with other guys?

What makes you the ONLY other guy she's ever done this with? Because she told you?
Ok here is the reasons that i believe she is who she says she is
1. she tells me she is constantly bored
2. her friend bet my roommate 20 dollars that we wouldn't have sex because "thats not who she is"
3. She is constantly busy with work and school.
4. I have yet to catch her lying to me.
 
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Let him be some people need to experience mistakes in order to learn.

The story sounds farfetched and if it isn't he knows most of you are right he is just trying to rationalize.

People don’t like to admit they are wrong.
 

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Wh0re. And you don't want to admit it.

Who cares though? If she wanted you again you'd know.
So just move on then she'll come back.
 

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ok i have known her quite a while and if shes a wh0re i would be incredibly surprised. But if shes a wh0re i dont care. Everything about this story is 100 % truth. I have no reason to lie on a message board. Anyway i want to thank you guys for the advice.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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