"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Ive been on a date with a girl 3 times. One of those time was at my place. ( no ****ing). I could tell she was into me. But now with the corona virus, she moved away to her parents. Which is like 100 miles away.
Now the last time we texted, was about 3 weeks ago. After that, i wanted to contact her, so i said " call me". It has been 4 days and she hasnt call me.

It's a shame to lose a girl i invested in. Anyting i can do? At least still get a **** out of it.

Regards,

Jesse
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Ive been on a date with a girl 3 times. One of those time was at my place. ( no ****ing). I could tell she was into me. But now with the corona virus, she moved away to her parents. Which is like 100 miles away.
Now the last time we texted, was about 3 weeks ago. After that, i wanted to contact her, so i said " call me". It has been 4 days and she hasnt call me.

It's a shame to lose a girl i invested in. Anyting i can do? At least still get a **** out of it.

Regards,

Jesse
No. When she was at your house you had your chance and failed. Anytime a woman gives you a chance alone one on one she is expecting to get fvcked and if that doesn't happen she loses faith in you as a man.

Wait til she comes back and give it one more shot.
 

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Warpal, welcome aboard. I see that you are a new member.

Unfortunately, some of the old-time forum members will present themselves as some type of 'female authority' toward new forum members.

Anytime a woman gives you a chance alone one on one she is expecting to get fvcked and if that doesn't happen she loses faith in you as a man.
Why do certain forum members do this? It's my opinion they (in real life) are unable to command actual respect and this forum provides their only opportunity to achieve some degree of (no matter how dubious) self-worth.

Those of us with experience or that have been on this forum for some time will see through their charade.
If you arrive at a woman's place with the mindset that she's "asking for it" you might find yourself later behind a locked cell if you were incorrect.

During a make-out session, men should always attempt to gradually escalate to the next base (1st 2nd, 3rd and home plate) but an invitation to her place (or she accepting an invite to yours) is not always a non-verbal contract that you're going to score.
 

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Thank you for your wisdom. It was at my place. We were making out. I went on to the next base. But she said were not going to do this now or I will miss the bus. We had our 4th date planned but then corona came. Should I just call her?
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Warpal, welcome aboard. I see that you are a new member.

Unfortunately, some of the old-time forum members will present themselves as some type of 'female authority' toward new forum members.



Why do certain forum members do this? It's my opinion they (in real life) are unable to command actual respect and this forum provides their only opportunity to achieve some degree of (no matter how dubious) self-worth.

Those of us with experience or that have been on this forum for some time will see through their charade.
If you arrive at a woman's place with the mindset that she's "asking for it" you might find yourself later behind a locked cell if you were incorrect.

During a make-out session, men should always attempt to gradually escalate to the next base (1st 2nd, 3rd and home plate) but an invitation to her place (or she accepting an invite to yours) is not always a non-verbal contract that you're going to score.
Because its the truth. The same truth I was given early on when I came to the forum. If you want to sugar coat things then that is your choice. If he wants to hear the cold hard truth then you are not giving it to him and you are doing him a disservice in my opinion.

I have had several women outright come out and tell me that when they accepted an invite over to my place for dinner they were basically agreeing in their mind to fvck me.
 
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If you arrive at a woman's place with the mindset that she's "asking for it" you might find yourself later behind a locked cell if you were incorrect.
Truth, assuming what a woman wants will get you into trouble. 30 plus years of dating experience, and one thing I have learned is a woman's attitude about anything can change for one hour to the next.

I have had a number of women... naked in bed... 15 minutes earlier begging for sex... then suddenly, seemingly out of no where say "I can't do this." Get up put her clothes on and leave. You just have to let that sh1t happen and be okay with it. I've also had women when we start a date come right out and say "I am NOT having sex with you... just putting it out there." Then later be wreaking the bed. Again, you just have to be okay with that.

It's not worth the sh1t ton of trouble to push things past a chick's comfort level.
 

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Thank you for your wisdom. It was at my place. We were making out. I went on to the next base. But she said were not going to do this now or I will miss the bus. We had our 4th date planned but then corona came. Should I just call her?
I appreciate the complement, but in all honesty... at my age, I have more experience than wisdom.

Should you call?

Not knowing you or the gal, it's difficult to gauge. If you are interested in her for more than a potential lay, I'd say that maintaining some casual form of contact is a good idea.

Edit --- I should learn to read through the comments before posting.

Overthinking is something that many of us (self included) are guilty of.
Glad to read that things seem to be on the upswing.
 

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OP you ****ed up by not banging her.

The good news is who cares. Ask her out one more time. Odds are she will decline or ignore you but u got nothing to lose.

If u get the date and her alone at her place or ur place bd sure to be aggressive and bang her.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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It's a shame to lose a girl i invested in.
For one, you didn't invest anything. It was a couple of dates. Not several years.

Secondly, you are way too into a woman who is not doing anything to take care of your needs. You don't have any other options so you have a scarcity mindset. You should be dating multiple people. Have fun dating. If one of them separates themselves as LTR material, cross that bridge then. It's your job to fvck them. Not make them your girlfriend.

Until you can get women investing in you and them doing the work, dating isnt going to be much fun unfortunately. You need to learn how to do this as it's what attracts women and also what keeps them around.
 

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^ Exactly, be a catch. If you're looking down on her because you look better, have better taste, make more money, have cooler friends, and by extension of all this have more female prospects than she has males, then you're in your masculine frame. Even if she rejects you it's because she's inadequate and can't handle you, not because she's looking down on you. She's basically filtering herself out as inferior.

Lift, invest, pursue experiences, make new friends, cultivate new hobbies.

She is a distraction from all that.
 

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Thanks guys. FYI i have 3 girls this weekend planned. So i got those plates spinning haha. Have a good weekend
 
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