I'm Charming
Don Juan
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Basically having a discussion based on an artistic construct, what certain characters act like and this has branched out into a fully blown argument over what feminism is all about and what "women want".
Me said:(Will's other obvious mistake being that he thinks women give a **** about his intellect), but he's still one of these men that has become entranced by the feminist "women-on-a-pedestal" bull****.
Basically, I dunno how but I ended up in a board full of women determined to justify their calling, I'm **** bored responding to this sort of crap and need some funny killer lines that dont revolve around the fact that the b*tch needs to get back into the kitchen.Feminist said:Dude, read before you talk. Feminists were always fighting AGAINST the "women-on-a-pedestal" bull****. The "women-on-a-pedestal" bull**** is what got them idealized as angels-of-the-house who could save men's souls through their domestic goodness and spiritual purity, and drove them into having nervous breakdowns and hysteria, and started feminism off in the first place. Who the hell wants to be treated like some idealized angel of inspiration (or else as damaged goods if you don't live up to the ideal)? That's a lot of pressure and expectation to put upon someone who's only human and wants to be treated like a normal person rather than an abstract concept of everything you want them to be.
And if you were to actually listen to any modern feminists, or read any feminist blogs, you would know that we hate the whole "woman is pretty and smart, man is a schmuck" phenomenon in commercials and movies and tv shows as much as you do. First of all, because it's degrading to both to stick them in such stupid categories. Second off, because while you may complain about it, its prevalence carries the connotation that it's ok or expected for a man to be a stupid schmuck, and yet even if he's a schmuck, he can still get the hot smart competent wife/girlfriend. You think that this shows women in a good light? If they're that smart and competent, why the hell are they going for such schmucks? To use your own terms, it's pretty insulting of the media to imply that a "low social value" man is still entitled to a "high social value" woman.
I feel kinda sorry for you. I know plenty of women who ARE pretty damn relaxed about sexuality, and no one thinks they have "low social value." (I think you're taking The Game a bit too seriously.) They know what they want (and have no trouble admitting that they don't want or need a relationship at the moment, but hey, sex is cool), they're confident and relaxed about it, they don't think they need to play games--they're pretty awesome.Me Again said:As for sexually relaxed nature being attractive in women - to an extent, I'd say that to Sven's extent in a female would be conducive to low social value - ie "becoming a slut", whereas most men will see Sven's man*****dom as the pinnacle of success - purely because it's not biologically male to be monogamous - rather a societal construct that men should be like this. Women have more of an emotional need so tend to desire a long-term monogamous relationship - as such being promiscuous is unfavourable in women generally, not saying that this is always the case however, just a generalisation.
I also know plenty of women who do give a **** about a guy's intellect. Actually, I was just complaining to a friend that I'm having a hard time finding anyone new to date because no one I've met recently has been smart or clever enough to satisfy me. Even the ones who may be smart academically tend to be really shallow thinkers in other regards, and I can't deal with that.