“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

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I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

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Have I waited too long or just long enough?

jarobe

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updated--Have I waited too long or just long enough?

Lately I have been introduced to this friend of a friend that I have a great chemistry with. She goes to this hair design school and asked me to come in to be one of her clients (they need a certain number to pass or something). Anyhow while I am there filling out my name and such I notice this attractive female staring at me like she knows me or something. I even thought she smiled. Things went well with the target but things just sorta never developed...not to say that thye wont cause I still dig her and I think she digs me.

Anyway, two months later I am walking through a club and attractive girl who was gazing at me stops me. She tells me she and her friends are in the wrong club (it was a European kind of spot, which isnt my scene either). She asks me if I can recommend any other places. Right there I am thinking she just ran a line on me....cause I have used that one before.

I show little interest cause while this girl is crazy hot I still have the original target on the mind. This new girl then follows up with how she remembers me from the school about 3 months ago, telling me how she had her hair different and everything. I played dumb and didnt recall. With no effort we end up hanging out all night during which she intorduces herself, reveals her background, where she lives (alone, close to me), and the fact that she is single (right after some lame dude tries to pick her up, she tells me thats why she is single.) She also reveals how she has seen me on the street many times too.

She asks me if I use msn and writes her email out for me, asks me to add her. Again...this comes across as a kind of aggressive 'sarg' type of move, no? I was feeling kind of ill that night and not sure if I wanted to target two girls from the same class...so I bounced and sort of left her there, hopefully wanting more. I added her like 5 days later...it just wasnt that big a deal to me at the time.

When I do add her she gets right at me and we talk for like 30 minutes...and that's with me keeping it short. By second convo she is sending me pics voluntarily to show me her new hair style (flirting?) She also puts herself on webcam and shows me her new dogs. The whole time I am negging the runts she is "LOLing" on camera for me to see...my interest is growing and basically the girl is a 9/10...I have just been too blind to see it the whole time.

Careful to make sure i send signals of interest, I try the e-date thing and ask her to hang out while on msn. She says sure and lets see how the day goes. I dont see her again online that day or for several days so I freeze her and block her for a few more days. I shoulda went straight for the number!

I end up running in to her on the street about a week later...she actually yells at me from across an intersection. She introduces me to her friend. Apparently my social proof is high as she brags about me and my job etc...

I see them all at a club that night and the first thing girl does is put her hands through my hair, complimenting me. I do the same to her and she has no problem. I was with some people so I didnt have time to stay with her too long but over the course of the night she gets hit on like 20 times but whenever I touch her she comes right to me. I lose her at the end of the night...next day she tells me all her friends were busy with people so she went home alone. I told her I would have split a cab with her cause we live close (trying to escalate) but I didnt have her number. She gives it right to me...

I am determined to take this to the phones so I wait a couple of days to call but before I get the chance, she sees me on the street driving by and she honks at me and waves. It it safe to say she digs me? Apparently she told a coworker who also tried to game her that she thinks I am cute. BAsed on her actions I think she means in the attractive way???

All signs appear to be positive except for that hang out debacle. Have I shown her enough interest? I know I have the mystery game down (I have negged, been unavailable, yet kino-ed her like crazy when able).

I intend to ask her out NOW but I wonder if that first move should be a subtle thing or an all-out date....it has been 6 weeks since we met. I don't want to send friend signals at all. My interest in her is starting to grow which is how I like it...

I know all of what i wrote seems fine but I dont want to end up courting her. i think I should know off one date if this is gonna escalate because I think she is (or was) interested big time. Should I go formal date or no?
 
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What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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This is one thing I just don't understand: How do some guys get girls to come up to them, especially hot ones? Girls never approach me like that.
 

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beats me. Someone should also beat the OP. How much more OBVIOUS could she make it? Are you waiting for her to come into your bedroom naked?
 

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Oh, Jesus.

Look out, son, someone on this board is going to kill you.

And if they don't, I will.
 

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Ya believe it or not, this isnt farce. When I usually step up to the plate girls lose interest. I can't even count how many times this has happened. I do deserve a beating for not being able to handle it and move when needed...

But if I can narrow down this thread...I was more wondering if I have waited too long. It was initially my goal to increase tension by making her wonder. I have every intention of moving now because I am more into her after being able to talk to her in person and kino her.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

Read more...

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jarobe said:
When I usually step up to the plate girls lose interest. I can't even count how many times this has happened.
It's also one of my issues.

Get her to want to be with you instead of you wanting to be with her.

Keep contact in a non threatening way (happy, fun, non afc).

I mean, tell her you are doing all this cool/interesting stuff and that she might just ask to be part of it.

Then, still keep your distances and reel her in gently.

Keep your head high at all times ;-)
 

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So I got up the nerve to call her today...I figured it was important to call her within a 3 or day period to make it apparent that I will be pursuing on some level.

I get her on the phone and she is in the middle if a bunch of msn convos and on the phone long distance with a good friend coming to visit her (she confesses she is lonely and kind of down these days). We managed some smalltalk and it was quality, considering the distractions. But....my perfect plan to get her to meet me (had it scripted) failed and she even let ME go before I had a chance to exercise my time constraint.

I was kind of flustered so I saw her online a couple minutes later and then decided to stick with the plan like it was meant to happen. I told her that no girl that young should be depressed and that I was going to the corner store and that she should meet me in 15 minutes, implying I would cheer her up. As I was trying to go offline, she tells me that she is going to be gone in 15. I told her it would only take 5 minutes and that I would be there in 5 and that she should come. She then confirms the store's name (she is new to the area) and then I say bye.

She showed up on time and visibly sad. I ask her what is up and she tells me school, work, and (um) guys. We chat about happier things then the subject of school and work and guys comes up again. She asks me why some dude suddenly stopped calling...as in why do men do that. I say that's the way it goes sometimes...I was cool but I think my disappointment showed through if she was **** testing. Thankfully her phone rings...I allow her to think she helped me find what I was looking for and she gives me hug goodbye.

Anyway..have I entered the friend zone or is everything fine? This is basically what I asked about in the first place...I only had 15 minutes with her...essentially my only 1 on 1 time with her in 6 weeks. The chemistry was there and I wish we had more time but I suppose part of me was expecting a connection of some sort and a respect for me that she would not mention dudes?
 

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any tips from the masters for this guy? I'm dead curious as this has happened to me too!!

From the little that I know, try and make a proper date, and kiss her. I don't know though. I'm too asexual, which I'm trying to change.
 

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get her to cook something for you at your place... she lives near anyways
 

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jarobe said:
So I got up the nerve to call her today...I figured it was important to call her within a 3 or day period to make it apparent that I will be pursuing on some level.

I get her on the phone and she is in the middle if a bunch of msn convos and on the phone long distance with a good friend coming to visit her (she confesses she is lonely and kind of down these days). We managed some smalltalk and it was quality, considering the distractions. But....my perfect plan to get her to meet me (had it scripted) failed and she even let ME go before I had a chance to exercise my time constraint.

I was kind of flustered so I saw her online a couple minutes later and then decided to stick with the plan like it was meant to happen. I told her that no girl that young should be depressed and that I was going to the corner store and that she should meet me in 15 minutes, implying I would cheer her up. As I was trying to go offline, she tells me that she is going to be gone in 15. I told her it would only take 5 minutes and that I would be there in 5 and that she should come. She then confirms the store's name (she is new to the area) and then I say bye.

She showed up on time and visibly sad. I ask her what is up and she tells me school, work, and (um) guys. We chat about happier things then the subject of school and work and guys comes up again. She asks me why some dude suddenly stopped calling...as in why do men do that. I say that's the way it goes sometimes...I was cool but I think my disappointment showed through if she was **** testing. Thankfully her phone rings...I allow her to think she helped me find what I was looking for and she gives me hug goodbye.

Anyway..have I entered the friend zone or is everything fine? This is basically what I asked about in the first place...I only had 15 minutes with her...essentially my only 1 on 1 time with her in 6 weeks. The chemistry was there and I wish we had more time but I suppose part of me was expecting a connection of some sort and a respect for me that she would not mention dudes?
For future reference...never script anything. It never works and always seems more natural and fun when you make shyt up on the spot. I did it once and it didnt work...it felt rehearsed and i think the lady heard it in my voice as well, the sound like its being read from a page.

And if i were you id make a move and soon. I think you're treading close to the friend zone. Don't talk to her about her problems. If a personal problem of hers happens to come up during an early date (1st date, 2nd, etc.), don't press the issue. You can sympathize with her, ie. telling her that it sucks, or telling her you know exactly what she means, and then casually change the subject. Don't solve the problem for her.

So make some moves, no need to be unsure of yourself...even if it doesn't work in your favor, knowing is better than sitting here on the site wondering if you've waited too long or if you're now in the friend zone.

~WA
 

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Well she messaged me in the early morning and I made sure to tell her how interesting my night was.

My goal with the store thing was to build enough rapport so she isnt making excuses come actual date....and i am making the move on that. I don't see how she can turn me down. I got her to change her plans last minute and in the end it was some other guy (FRIEND) who had to discuss her problems.

My mistake was definitely asking what is wrong....I should have focussed more on cheering her up in the time I had. I just think I was taking a huge chance getting a stranger out who was down. Her heart outweighed her brain at that moment and she blurted her life story. But we're still strangers..I don't even know much about her and vice versa. Now I can get her to do whatever and the move will/has to come then.

I spent the time with her asking her where she lived exactly, anchoring myself to the fact that I'll be coming over soon. It was tough to balance out being a guy who is not good to ask for advice, yet might possess those positive personality qualities she would want to be around. All things considered it could have been worse and she wasnt talking about her problems when she got at me.

Clearly she would have gone out with me 6 weeks ago cause she hardly knows me now. My mistake.
 
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