"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Have I screwed it up?

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I'm new to the site and finally decided to join and seek some friendly advice.

I am a bouncer at a bar on a college campus so I get my fair share of girls hitting on me. Usually they are drunk so I just dismiss them and go about doing my job. But last week there was a really hot girl who came up to me and started talking. I deemed her very attractive and most importantly I felt that she wasn't drunk. She was there with a few girlfriends and a few guys...one of them clearly jealous that she was talking to me...anyway before she leaves she ends up giving me her number (which i did not ask for) and makes me swear to her that I will call. I promise her that I will call and wait till mon night to do it. (we met on a sat.). When I call her she says she was just talking about me and is kinda giggiling so I think I'm in. Anyway, she seems like shes running around the house by the tone of her voice and says she was on her way out the door but will call me back to make plans. Two days go by and I don't hear from her so I text her "are you coming in town this weekend?" (she lives like 60 miles away) after 2 hours i get a txt back saying "umm I think so. It's kinda still up in the air but Im pretty sure that we are. sorry i havent got a chance to call you back. ive gotten a lil sick. lol"....so i txt her back "thats ok i understand. im going to work out right now, but i'll call you later toninight. hopefully we can make plans for the weekend."....so i follow through on my promise and call her later that night...she doesnt answer....it's been 4 days now and i havent heard from her....can anybody tell me what the **** is going on? was i making myself too available?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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whichonespink said:
I'm new to the site and finally decided to join and seek some friendly advice.

I am a bouncer at a bar on a college campus so I get my fair share of girls hitting on me. Usually they are drunk so I just dismiss them and go about doing my job. But last week there was a really hot girl who came up to me and started talking. I deemed her very attractive and most importantly I felt that she wasn't drunk. She was there with a few girlfriends and a few guys...one of them clearly jealous that she was talking to me...anyway before she leaves she ends up giving me her number (which i did not ask for) and makes me swear to her that I will call. I promise her that I will call and wait till mon night to do it. (we met on a sat.). When I call her she says she was just talking about me and is kinda giggiling so I think I'm in. Anyway, she seems like shes running around the house by the tone of her voice and says she was on her way out the door but will call me back to make plans. Two days go by and I don't hear from her so I text her "are you coming in town this weekend?" (she lives like 60 miles away) after 2 hours i get a txt back saying "umm I think so. It's kinda still up in the air but Im pretty sure that we are. sorry i havent got a chance to call you back. ive gotten a lil sick. lol"....so i txt her back "thats ok i understand. im going to work out right now, but i'll call you later toninight. hopefully we can make plans for the weekend."....so i follow through on my promise and call her later that night...she doesnt answer....it's been 4 days now and i havent heard from her....can anybody tell me what the **** is going on? was i making myself too available?
ATTENTION *****!!!!! I'm sure you get hit on a lot by the chicks as a bouncer. They want you to get them in the club for free!!!! Don't worry about her a$$, she's 60 miles away which means she's got guys in her own area that she's dating. I guarantee you, you're the last person on her mind.

The only purpose you serve is to give her and her GF's free admission into the club and probably free drinks too.

The best thing you can do is throw her number away and move on.
 

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haha yeah. i know all about the wanting free sh*t...which is why i generally pay no attention to the sl*ts that are in the place. but it seemd like she was generally attracted to me i dunno...there are 4 other bouncers in the place and i came in as part of the later shift so the place was already open when i walked in the door and from the moment i walked in i saw her looking at me...i dunno it just seemed different.
 

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haha yeah. i know all about the wanting free sh*t...which is why i generally pay no attention to the sl*ts that are in the place. but it seemd like she was generally attracted to me i dunno...there are 4 other bouncers in the place and i came in as part of the later shift so the place was already open when i walked in the door and from the moment i walked in i saw her looking at me...i dunno it just seemed different.
The best thing to do is just treat her like another face in the crowd the next time she comes around your area.
 

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She was just so hot. I'm pissed at myself for falling for her sh*t i guess. And Im also pissed at her. Why would she be all over me one night begging me for attention then suddendly change her mind? When Im at work I pride myself on taking girls like her down a peg. Anyway, I was hoping that she would call me back, but thinking about it now, it's probably more likely that she won't.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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damn, that sucks. I was going to say she's probably a hor since she approached you and acted so flaky. But after reading Nightwing's response, I think he's probably right. You'd better not start doing that b1tch any favors until she starts doing a few for you.

You did things alright (as in, not terribly), but you could use some improvements. Your text language sounded kinda weak. "Hopefully...we can...make plans...". I mean, come on. The word "hopefully" alone betrays too much interest, and the rest of it just isn't direct enough. Read the tip on the front of the site about turning your requests into commands, and you'll get the idea. Try to sound more manly when you suggest/demand action.

Moreover, why did you start texting her to begin with? Texting is for women. You can use it to send provacative teasing msgs, but if the situation demands real communication then you ought to call.


she...says she...will call me back to make plans.
Thirdly, why did you let her get away with this? Women can't lead relationships, or anything else for that matter! Be a man and take charge. You need to have something in mind to DO before you call, and a couple of different times when it would be ideal for YOU to do it.

I can understand messing up in this area. I'm pretty bad with phones myself; I always get kinda nervous talking in them (kind of a phobia :( ). But your mistakes sound like they come more from a lack of assertiveness and manliness than from nervousness.
 

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whichonespink said:
Anyway, I was hoping that she would call me back, but thinking about it now, it's probably more likely that she won't.
Don't worry about it. You're the bouncer; you can get plenty of other attractive girls if you set your mind to it. Start reading the Book of Pook if you haven't yet.
 

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You guys are right. I wish I had discovered this site before this. I've only been a bouncer for a little over a month. I've never had much much experiance in dating and all these games. So to go from getting pretty much no girls to having the hottest of the hot approach me is still taking some getting used to.

So Obsidian are you saying that I shouldnt have let her hang up on me on that note? what should have I said?..."no dont worry about it. i'll call you when i get the time?"
 

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whichonespink said:
You guys are right. I wish I had discovered this site before this. I've only been a bouncer for a little over a month. I've never had much much experiance in dating and all these games. So to go from getting pretty much no girls to having the hottest of the hot approach me is still taking some getting used to.
If she's a hot girl, then she knows what she's doing. Especially in a club setting, you have chicks doing this all the time. To her, you're just a "hook up" for her and her GF's the next time she is in your area. The best thing to do is to trash her number and treat her like another face in the crowd.
 

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Obsidian said:
Don't worry about it. You're the bouncer; you can get plenty of other attractive girls if you set your mind to it. Start reading the Book of Pook if you haven't yet.
Whichonespink, listen to this. Attractive chicks are a dime a dozen, don't even sweat this girl.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Nightwing said:
If she's a hot girl, then she knows what she's doing. Especially in a club setting, you have chicks doing this all the time. To her, you're just a "hook up" for her and her GF's the next time she is in your area. The best thing to do is to trash her number and treat her like another face in the crowd.
yeah, ive wondered what to do next time i see her in there. it prob wont be for a while cause shes in the guard and going to hawaii or something. i dont want to be outright mean to her, even though it is completly within my power to do it. i figure i'll just not do any favors for her.
 

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whichonespink said:
yeah, ive wondered what to do next time i see her in there. it prob wont be for a while cause shes in the guard and going to hawaii or something. i dont want to be outright mean to her, even though it is completly within my power to do it. i figure i'll just not do any favors for her.
Hawaii is a hotspot to pull all her "hotgirl tactics". You better believe that she'll be doing it there too.

I agree with you on not being mean to her. Ignoring her completely is your best bet. Once again, she's just another face.
 
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