dr_devious
Don Juan
Have any of you guys on here ever decided that chasing after women just isnt worth all the **** and just given up? If so, what happened?
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Has anyone ever just given up?
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"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Ah, now you are ready to begin.
Perhaps you realize there is nothing to chase. Your effort fights itself. You push against yourself. You tire only because you accomplish nothing. Women see that you try so, they see your effort. They are not attracted to that.
This summer, I stopped trying, I LET it happen. I stopped externalizing all the PUA stuff and finally began to internalize some of it, incorporate it as a natural part of my personality.
I don’t come on here bragging about how much tang I bag. Why brag about something that is as natural as taking a piss? The danger of all the “techniques”, the supreme focus on women is it gives the process of getting women way too much power and emphasis. Getting women is not a mountain to climb, a goal, nor, even an accomplishment.
So, don’t give up, just stop trying so much.
Perhaps you realize there is nothing to chase. Your effort fights itself. You push against yourself. You tire only because you accomplish nothing. Women see that you try so, they see your effort. They are not attracted to that.
This summer, I stopped trying, I LET it happen. I stopped externalizing all the PUA stuff and finally began to internalize some of it, incorporate it as a natural part of my personality.
I don’t come on here bragging about how much tang I bag. Why brag about something that is as natural as taking a piss? The danger of all the “techniques”, the supreme focus on women is it gives the process of getting women way too much power and emphasis. Getting women is not a mountain to climb, a goal, nor, even an accomplishment.
So, don’t give up, just stop trying so much.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
I'm just more selective about the type of woman I engage. Just having tits isn't a good enough reason for me to engage a woman.
hmmm...what happened....
lost 35 pounds.
have 6 figures saved and making me money.
making over 6 figures and career still sky rocketing.
became indestructable as i realized that nothing in this world can knock me down but me.
now i KNOW that IM the prize and that women have to live up to MY standards and am totally unconcerned with what any woman thinks about me - she has to worry what i think of her.
lots of other things as well, but those are the highlights.
lost 35 pounds.
have 6 figures saved and making me money.
making over 6 figures and career still sky rocketing.
became indestructable as i realized that nothing in this world can knock me down but me.
now i KNOW that IM the prize and that women have to live up to MY standards and am totally unconcerned with what any woman thinks about me - she has to worry what i think of her.
lots of other things as well, but those are the highlights.
insanity
Master Don Juan
i have, in pursuit of becoming "that guy". ever notice at a party or a get together there is always a bunch of hot girls around and all the guys oogle and aww when the chicks walk by and she knows almost all of the guys are checking her out except "that guy". that guy is always just having a beer and having a great laugh about something in the past or talking about the fish he caught or something he's going to do in the next few years and women to him seem not to matter. as long as he's having a goodtime thats all that matters to him. eventually through the night the girls become interested in the mysterious guy who could care less about them. once the booze kicks in and the girls become less shy they approach him and at the end of the night he seems to nail one.
"that guy" lives for himself and women are just an added bonus. he's the type of guy that isn't complaining that he's single or desperate. everyday is an adventure and if your lucky you can come for the ride.
thats when women will enter the picture. once the desperation subsides and jealousy that your friends are getting laid and your not, leaves your soul. then you will feel great.
we have been brainwashed that if were single then were losers. think about when you were a kid and fun was all that mattered. women weren't even on the radar. go back to that mindframe and all will come together.
"that guy" lives for himself and women are just an added bonus. he's the type of guy that isn't complaining that he's single or desperate. everyday is an adventure and if your lucky you can come for the ride.
thats when women will enter the picture. once the desperation subsides and jealousy that your friends are getting laid and your not, leaves your soul. then you will feel great.
we have been brainwashed that if were single then were losers. think about when you were a kid and fun was all that mattered. women weren't even on the radar. go back to that mindframe and all will come together.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Moving_Target
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I have been on extended hiatus since I came back from a (horrible) 1 month trip to Australia approximately 2yrs ago. Of the relationships (or lack there of) I've had, none amounted to anything (not even having a FB). I was angry for quite a while and while I'm not as angry as I was, the end result is I am generally uninterested and skeptical of woman. I've been focusing on my sportscar club stuff and automotive related interests. The last woman that I had been talking with (coffee dates nothing more) off and on stopped calling me about 3 months ago. She pulled the same thing last year and I was dumb enough to give her the time of day this time.dr_devious said:
I think it had something to do with me confronting her about the caller id blocking she persisted in doing every time she'd call me.
*shakes head*
Other than that, I haven't been seriously pursuing anyone nor losing a lot of sleep about it.
Joining this sportscar club has alllowed me to do some solo2 driving, hang out with some likeminded motorheads and let me keep most of my sanity [edit]and having a heck of a lot of fun competing against myself and improving my driving[/edit].
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Since when? Sure, it's not a mountain to climb with ugly chicks, but when it comes to the hot, sexy, attractive ones, your game must be superb(otherwise you ain't gettin' any)..superb as in the advice given on this site. Of course there are a few exceptions though.grinder said:
dr_devious
Don Juan
I made this post last night on a bit of a downer. Thanks for the advice guys, good to see others taking a more positive attitude than me.
I went on a double date last week, my friend and his g/f, and a woman he works with. My date was a bit of a minger, but his lady is a real cutie who I really fancied. I got the other ones digits, but decided not to follow up. Im sick of attracting the wrong ones i.e. fat, ugly or just plain wierd. Do any of you guys have this problem?
I went on a double date last week, my friend and his g/f, and a woman he works with. My date was a bit of a minger, but his lady is a real cutie who I really fancied. I got the other ones digits, but decided not to follow up. Im sick of attracting the wrong ones i.e. fat, ugly or just plain wierd. Do any of you guys have this problem?
You realize that if you do nothing, you won't get anywhere and you get back to it and learn from your mistakes.
Never quit.
I'd rather die trying than not try at all.
BTW, Women are easy, you just need to know how to handle them.
That's why you should never quit, your life will fall down tight with it.
Those who stick with it at the times when things are at the absolute worst of times are those who are going to succeed.
Diamonds are forever!
Never quit.
I'd rather die trying than not try at all.
BTW, Women are easy, you just need to know how to handle them.
When you become the guy of your dreams, the girl of your dreams will follow. So I have to disagree with that. Sure it requires some serieus inner work, but once you improve yourself women aren't that hard to get.
That's why you should never quit, your life will fall down tight with it.
Those who stick with it at the times when things are at the absolute worst of times are those who are going to succeed.
Diamonds are forever!
logicallefty
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Damn.. The best one liner I have heard in a long time.. If that don't sum it all up, I don't know what does.. And you're only 19? I'm impressedHolland said:
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
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That's what I was saying. By your game being "superb", that's when you know you've improved yourself and have become the guy of your dreams.Holland said:
Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. Once you've climbed a mountain that shiit lasts for the rest of your life! (unless you forget or whatever, but that'll never happen, since when your eyes are opened you never look back)
That's why you have to KEEP ON and never quit. You'll get there if you're truly dedicated.
Thanks man. It's not about experience, it's about having the correct knowledge and inner beliefs. (David Shade)
Everything else will follow when you get that.
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Yes, the women quit becoming worthy of the chase!!dr_devious said:
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THIS is THE attitude to adopt and live!joekerr31 said:
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
I tried to take a couple of years off from dating. I have been focusing on getting my degree, getting my life in order, getting healthy again, all that crap... I've also been learning about and focusing on the art of pick-up, just getting the basics down cold, and I tell you what, chixdiggit.
I haven't done much dating, but I have been getting laid, if that makes sense. Some of my exes and old girlfriends have run into me too, and they seem to like it enough to make up for the way they left me. It has done a lot to get my head straight, even if I didn't get away from them for all of this time.
It was a voluntary decision to clean all the b!tches out of my life while I am in school, and it is one that I have reconsidered about a hundred times, but I'd honestly get no pu$$y than the stuff that is bad for me; and I may be fat, nasty, and old, but it seems like this game is played by people a lot worse than I am.
Anyhoo, I'm not saying it's easy, but it can be what you need to do sometimes. Two months left until I get that degree... Then I'll know if it's all been worthwhile. :trouble:
I haven't done much dating, but I have been getting laid, if that makes sense. Some of my exes and old girlfriends have run into me too, and they seem to like it enough to make up for the way they left me. It has done a lot to get my head straight, even if I didn't get away from them for all of this time.
It was a voluntary decision to clean all the b!tches out of my life while I am in school, and it is one that I have reconsidered about a hundred times, but I'd honestly get no pu$$y than the stuff that is bad for me; and I may be fat, nasty, and old, but it seems like this game is played by people a lot worse than I am.
Anyhoo, I'm not saying it's easy, but it can be what you need to do sometimes. Two months left until I get that degree... Then I'll know if it's all been worthwhile. :trouble: