"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Hard to get?

TNbuckeye

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I'm new to this forum, and recently reintroduced into the wild, so bare with me. I have been talking to a girl I met on pof. I was a smart ass. I didn't apologize, but I admitted it. She said she had enough of people being mean when she didn't do anything to them, and she didn't know if she wanted to talk to me anymore.
She hasn't told me to not contact her, but hasn't gotten back to me. Is she testing me, or should I move on?

Any advice from some seasoned DJs would be appreciated
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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TNbuckeye said:
I'm new to this forum, and recently reintroduced into the wild, so bare with me. I have been talking to a girl I met on pof. I was a smart ass. I didn't apologize, but I admitted it. She said she had enough of people being mean when she didn't do anything to them, and she didn't know if she wanted to talk to me anymore.
She hasn't told me to not contact her, but hasn't gotten back to me. Is she testing me, or should I move on?

Any advice from some seasoned DJs would be appreciated
I guess I'm "seasoned". So I'll put it to you this way:

You haven't even met this girl yet. So who cares? Contact her again...don't contact her again. It's all minimal risk on your part, so why worry?

My point is this - Don't waste your time messaging for weeks/months with girls on dating sites. A vast majority are just a waste of time anyway.

Invite this girl out for drinks (you should always invite them out for drinks after 2 or 3 messages, anyway) and see if the's serious about meeting guys or just looking for an online ego boost.

Otherwise, you're just sitting here worrying about a girl who's just a figment of your imagination anyway.

EDIT:

Another concept you want to eliminate from your vocabulary is "Hard to get". It does not exist. The girls who want you will find ways to get you. A girl who values you as an attractive male will not play "hard to get"...Why? Because if she wants you, then she believes other women want you. And while she's playing Hard to Get, another girl might swoop in and steal you.

There is no hard to get.
 

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Wasn't trying to be harsh. I've had an above-average amount of success in online dating, so I encourage guys to do things in such a way where they don't over-invest in a particular faceless, nameless online chick.

It's important to quickly separate the girls who want to MEET you from the girls just looking for attention (the majority). Lots of women can be perfectly content living in their little online world with 100's of daily male admirers whom they'll never meet.

That's why you simply, over the course of 2 or 3 days, have 2 or 3 email exchanges. Somewhere in the last email, you say, "We should get off of this lame site and get a drink. What's your number?" At that point, the girl comes through, or she disappears. But at least you've only wasted minimal time. And while asking a girl out in the FIRST email might be too soon, after 2 or 3 messages there's enough rapport to justify asking her out.

In your situation, with the "smart ass / apologies / don't-contact-me-anymore stuff, it sounds like you're living in this online world, and not doing anything to get out of it. You don't even know this girl and you're already going through the ups and downs of a damn relationship. See what I'm saying?

And when it's all said and done, after all your chatting, and joking, and apologizing, she may have never wanted to meet you anyway.

Which takes us to my original point.
 

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The harsh comment was a joke. But you are exactly right. I just needed to hear it from someone else. I was to close to the situation to see the bigger picture.
As far as her living in her online world, you could be correct.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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SoSuave666

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Iceberg said:
There is no hard to get.

Although I do believe that there is such a thing as "hard to get," I will agree that a girl will definitely make herself available to you if she has high interest. The reason I don't think "hard to get" is that prevalent among women anymore is because they now know that their pvssy has enough power to attract another man at the drop of a hat. If they play hard to get, and the man plays harder to get, opportunity is lost and the girl will find it MUCH easier to move along.

With that said, it seems like the majority of "hard to get" is played by the men on this forum. NC for the sake of NC, NC to get over a girl, NC to drive interest level....all of that is playing "hard to get." It's a useful tool though, no doubt. The difference generally is this: when a woman isn't contacting you she pretty much has no interest in you. When a man isn't contacting a woman, it's 80% a game, 10% no interest, 10% forced moving on.

I always thought the women were the game players?
 

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Nc?

She also said she had 149 unread messages that she didn't respond to because she wasn't attracted to them, and most of our conversations have been on the phone. Not pof.
The "smart ass" comment came after I told her out was nice talkin to her. She said huh. I replied with "it's self explanatory, but hey, everyone makes mistakes"
 

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If you were a little snappy with her and she hasn't stopped talking with you already then you might be turning her on lol. As weird as that may sound. If she even replies to you again I would play the "push pull" game with her. You already pushed by being a smart ass. And if she talks to you again then she has accepted it. Now pull and be a little nice to her, maybe invite her somewhere nice or compliment her. Remember negging a girl is a staple part of your game. You don't want to take it too far obviously. If she actually agrees to seeing you, you already know the push pull game is working on her. So that cats IN the bag as long as you keep it up.
 

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SgtSplacker said:
If you were a little snappy with her and she hasn't stopped talking with you already then you might be turning her on lol. As weird as that may sound. If she even replies to you again I would play the "push pull" game with her. You already pushed by being a smart ass. And if she talks to you again then she has accepted it. Now pull and be a little nice to her, maybe invite her somewhere nice or compliment her. Remember negging a girl is a staple part of your game. You don't want to take it too far obviously. If she actually agrees to seeing you, you already know the push pull game is working on her. So that cats IN the bag as long as you keep it up.
I admitted being a smart ass. Told her I wanted to make it up to her. She said she didn't know. That was 2 days ago
 

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Dont bother making it up, move on and go talk to other girls. Then maybe message her in a couple weeks or maybe she will message you ;) Your the catch so act like it!
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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