"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Gym game, the battle against headphones

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From experience, the majority of people at the gym (indeed, everywhere) are open for a general quick chat.

Headphones are an absolute killer though.

The great thing about the gym is you can drop a quick one-liner short comment, and see who is totally focussed on the workout (or limited for time) or who can chat for a minute or two. You're all moving about between equipment so it's not a constrained environment like a bar.

But drop a line to someone with headphones in, wait three or four seconds for them to "mute" or whatever, then say stuff again, maybe twice if they misheard, and it goes awkward af very quickly.

(It feels similar to when headphones started being worn in work offices mid 2010s. Those people miss out on so much. You also end up associating songs with venues... I don't want my favourite music to be linked mentally to gym or work!)
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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This is why instead of gyms i go to training pools, running/hiking spots, not only that its tiring -i mainly approach someone when we're at rest during reps. I once entered a gym with a friend, this idiot did 3x10 bicep curls then proceeds to doom scroll half an hour
 

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Duuuude.
Have you considered they are wearing headphones for a reason ? Ie to put dudes off approaching them at the gym?

do you think women want to be seduced whilst doing a workout… cmon .

edit: I used to do hot yoga, I’m lolling to myself imagining a scenario of trying to hit on a chick during a hot yoga class.:lol:
 
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it goes awkward af very quickly.
Yes this is sad.

Infact I do not wear them, and I don't approach people with headhphones.

Here’s an interesting thing. (Both women were headphones free)
Yesterday I was at the gym and a girl asked me which barbell weighed 10 kg, so I told her the one she’d picked up only weighed 7.
Two minutes later, another girl nearby pretended she couldn't get a piece of squat equipment to lock into place, so I went over to help and pointed out that she was trying to put it in the wrong way around.

So, did I take this as flirting or just a case of helping out?
You’ll never know for sure with women unless you ask.
Then, based on her answer, you’ll find out.

In my scenario, girl 1 was attractive, I will follow up her in the next sessions, and open some conversations with her, test waters, and ask her out.
Girl 2 still attractive but really too tall for me, I won't ask her out.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Duuuude.
Have you considered they are wearing headphones for a reason ? Ie to put dudes off approaching them at the gym?

do you think women want to be seduced whilst doing a workout… cmon .

edit: I used to do hot yoga, I’m lolling to myself imagining a scenario of trying to hit on a chick during a hot yoga class.:lol:
I know plenty who'll happily take headphones off and then have a 20 minute chat around sets. Wearing them is usually because they want their own music rather than the gym's.

You never really get a "I don't want to talk to you" impression...maybe just "I've only got 45 mins".

The nuisance thing (which I didn't really explain in the OP) is that there can be clear buying signals, and yet then that 5-10 seconds of awkwardness which breaks any vibes.

I think it's fairly sad that.it is a social environment full of high-achievers, sober, regulars who obviously recognise each other...but rarely talk. This isn't about treating it as PUA place.
 

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Yes this is sad.

Infact I do not wear them, and I don't approach people with headhphones.

Here’s an interesting thing. (Both women were headphones free)
Yesterday I was at the gym and a girl asked me which barbell weighed 10 kg, so I told her the one she’d picked up only weighed 7.
Two minutes later, another girl nearby pretended she couldn't get a piece of squat equipment to lock into place, so I went over to help and pointed out that she was trying to put it in the wrong way around.

So, did I take this as flirting or just a case of helping out?
You’ll never know for sure with women unless you ask.
Then, based on her answer, you’ll find out.

In my scenario, girl 1 was attractive, I will follow up her in the next sessions, and open some conversations with her, test waters, and ask her out.
Girl 2 still attractive but really too tall for me, I won't ask her out.
yes dude they are both flirting w you,
Always take that situation and flex your flirt back also
 

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Yesterday I was at the gym and a girl asked me which barbell weighed 10 kg, so I told her the one she’d picked up only weighed 7.
Two minutes later, another girl nearby pretended she couldn't get a piece of squat equipment to lock into place, so I went over to help and pointed out that she was trying to put it in the wrong way around.

So, did I take this as flirting or just a case of helping out?
You’ll never know for sure with women unless you ask.
Yeah just help, ask em what they are training today. If it ends there, walk...if they ask your workout, start sperging about bro-splits and rep ranges... ;)
 

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I know plenty who'll happily take headphones off and then have a 20 minute chat around sets. Wearing them is usually because they want their own music rather than the gym's.

You never really get a "I don't want to talk to you" impression...maybe just "I've only got 45 mins".

The nuisance thing (which I didn't really explain in the OP) is that there can be clear buying signals, and yet then that 5-10 seconds of awkwardness which breaks any vibes.

I think it's fairly sad that.it is a social environment full of high-achievers, sober, regulars who obviously recognise each other...but rarely talk. This isn't about treating it as PUA place.
oh true.
hmmm if there are clear buying signals , then that pause shouldn’t break the vibe .. idk
I mean if the signals are there , she’ll be engaging w you , i would have thought.

20 min chats is really good.

btw have you actually had results from approaching at the gym?
 

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20 min chats is really good.

btw have you actually had results from approaching at the gym?
I'm only getting back into this just recently..so will have to report back in time on results...

The impression I've got is that "third spaces" (community spaces) have collapsed...gym is one of the very few left now where you get to see familiar faces. Social circle game I suppose, rather than "approaching"..this is also 7a.m. rather than nighttime type stuff.

Ps. 20 mins would be with a fellow bro.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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