"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Guys who have used Seeking Arrangements and done Sugar dating, experiences?

eli77

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Do not take what I said as an insult man, even if I sounded harsh, but I am genuinely trying to help you. I know I went on a rant because I have dealt with so many crappy wings that ruined my game sessions in recent weeks. Please take my feedback serious bro, I bet if you started a cold approach log right now on this forum and had it go for 20+ pages of you taking action, dudes would proactively reach out to network with you and meet up. I have had this happened plenty of times since I did my field report thread.

I really meant well and hope your legal case goes for the best.
Not at all i know what my strength are no worries.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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BillyPilgrim

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Update, I am getting some traction with Seeking Arrangements and @Dash Riprock has given me some advice over DM. I will let everyone know of how it all goes relatively soon. You do have to screen hard on the site though, it is crawling with escorts and women looking to leech off of you at every turn.
If you can try and get a feel for the different ways in which the cool dtf chicks and the escorts/diggers look and present themselves. Dress, vibe, eyes, etc. I do this on Tinder and can get a good feel just from a very quick glance at their main pic.
 

Bokanovsky

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I Know some guys who have done, it's a degenerate rabbit-hole OP.
I remember talking to a buddy of mine and he mentioned something I found very interesting. The same girls on these sugardaddies sites that want their rent/bills paid for are the same girls looking for love on Tinder/bumble. Imagine the girl won't give you the time of day Unless you go "Zion WIlliamson" on her(for those that don't know Zion Williamson is a 22 year old 2-time All-star NBA player who allegedly is paying an ex-run-through pornstar a 107K allowance a month)

There is a guy who has to pay and a guy who gets it for free, why pay for something you can get for free?
Why buy a take out meal instead of cooking one yourself? The answer is:

a) laziness;
b) lack of time to make it yourself; or
c) lack of skill to male it yourself.

Same logic applies to why men pay for wh0res.
 

Solomon

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Why buy a take out meal instead of cooking one yourself? The answer is:

a) laziness;
b) lack of time to make it yourself; or
c) lack of skill to male it yourself.

Same logic applies to why men pay for wh0res.
Fair point but I rather not pay for pom pom with money It's degenerate loser behavior IMO there are girls giving up Pom Pom for free every day. If it means I gotta spend more time than the guy paying so be it.

Genuine burning desire cannot be bought
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Fair point but I rather not pay for pom pom with money It's degenerate loser behavior IMO there are girls giving up Pom Pom for free every day. If it means I gotta spend more time than the guy paying so be it.

Genuine burning desire cannot be bought
"Degenreate loser behavior" is a fair personal opinion in most cases. But I would imagine a few guys out there that have way more money than time. I wouldnt recommend them to wife one of them up and start a family but if the goal was only some casual sex, I guess it just makes sense for them.
 

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But I would imagine a few guys out there that have way more money than time. I wouldnt recommend them to wife one of them up and start a family but if the goal was only some casual sex, I guess it just makes sense for them.
Imo it's a valuing of both time *and* focus
 

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Fair point but I rather not pay for pom pom with money It's degenerate loser behavior IMO there are girls giving up Pom Pom for free every day. If it means I gotta spend more time than the guy paying so be it.

Genuine burning desire cannot be bought
I've had "genuine burning desire" burn out 6wks later too. Must have been the cluster B in her! haha
 

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I've had "genuine burning desire" burn out 6wks later too. Must have been the cluster B in her! haha
Those are the best in the sack but their crazy I was dealing with one earlier this year, a hot chick with a tight body in her late 30s but the sex wasn't worth it, I remember we got into a fight one night via text I went to bed and woke up to 800 text messages
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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If you can try and get a feel for the different ways in which the cool dtf chicks and the escorts/diggers look and present themselves. Dress, vibe, eyes, etc. I do this on Tinder and can get a good feel just from a very quick glance at their main pic.
I was just checking my dormant account and it's from 2016!
I'm checking again and most of the girls look too prostitute/gold-digger vibes. I searched for 18-25 and see a bunch of late 30s-40s instead. Strangely enough, I am seeing many pictures I've seen before. Probably fake accounts or girls who created a new profile years later (and are using old pictures).

There's a reason I stay away from OLD. Bad vibes.
 

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Fair point but I rather not pay for pom pom with money It's degenerate loser behavior IMO there are girls giving up Pom Pom for free every day. If it means I gotta spend more time than the guy paying so be it.

Genuine burning desire cannot be bought
Can’t argue with that.
 

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Fair point but I rather not pay for pom pom with money It's degenerate loser behavior IMO there are girls giving up Pom Pom for free every day. If it means I gotta spend more time than the guy paying so be it.

Genuine burning desire cannot be bought
50% of the burning desire are snuffed out within a few years ending up with the woman taking half the $$$, the house, and the kids... and both hating each other.

Genuine burning desire is over rated.
 

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Fair point but I rather not pay for pom pom with money It's degenerate loser behavior IMO there are girls giving up Pom Pom for free every day. If it means I gotta spend more time than the guy paying so be it.

Genuine burning desire cannot be bought

Tell me how to bang a 25yo girl as a 60yo man without being a degenerate loser? I don't think my preference will change two decades from now and if I have to pay for the age gap, I will do it happily.

How do you deal with a burning desire to bang beautiful 20yo girls if you're ugly, short, bald and let's say... Indian?


Both the Indian and the old man have the opportunity of banging young and beautiful girls by paying. The girls might not like it but I'm sure the guys would rather do that than banging an old and/or ugly woman. I would not call them losers since I think they're closer to winning.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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I supposed at least you are guaranteed that the women on there are skanky. They can't join seeking arrangements and then say they´re just there to "make new friends". I haven´t tried it, but I´d imagine you´d meet women that are willing to put out than the timewasters/Instagram attention seekers on Tinder. Also, you´d filter out the average picky woman looking for Mr Right. Yawn.
 

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If you can try and get a feel for the different ways in which the cool dtf chicks and the escorts/diggers look and present themselves. Dress, vibe, eyes, etc. I do this on Tinder and can get a good feel just from a very quick glance at their main pic.
Love it
 

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So I thought I'd update a lot of you on my experiences with Seeking Arrangements so far and what has gone on. I took the advice of my friend and explicitly put on my profile no PPMs and what I am specifically looking for, practically implying that I want a traditional date to get to know them better. I made the extra effort to ask any girl that messaged me if she had read my profile and quite a few did, some said they even respected me for having standards. This is all because when I first started, I was getting a lot of girls telling me they charge per meet or that they charge per month.

I do say that I can pay for their ride over as a courtesy.

Here is what ensued.

1. Number closed a girl off of the site. We had a date arranged the next day and she said she respected my take. We also have a phone call and it all goes well. Then, right after the call, she texts me and says if I can pay for her visit to the nail salon. I jump around it a bit and say "yeah your nails ain't that bad". She then gets pushy and tells me if I am going to be on the app, it isn't traditional dating so I should pay up. I tell her we should move on. She then texts me and says if I can financially help her out. WTF.

2. Number closed another girl off of the app and this one is going really good. She is in her thirties but really hot, originally from Colombia but has model-tier looks. It is going well but then the day before we decide to meet up, she say she has a son. I know where this is likely going and I cancel.

3. Number closed this French chick off of the site. She called me babe often and it seemed to go well. We had a date arranged for today and I got dressed up and all. My standard is that I will pay for the Uber and the meal but then this girl texts me. We are set to met and she asks if I am paying for the Uber. I have to keep repeating everything to this girl for days such as when we are meeting and where at. Then she says "alright cool so paypal me a hundred bucks". I am lost but she gives me her paypal which is a very pornographic name.....I tell her "an Uber does not cost a hundred bucks, you are right next door". Then she goes "alright fine paypal me 75". I cancel the date, get an angry text and then blocked.

I have a few more dates in the pipe but man oh man.

I have filtered out a lot of escorts but these women will try to grab any dollar they can. It could be more Miami culture than it is Seeking Arrangements culture though, I have to be mindful of that.

In the meanwhile, I am having some chats with women in other Florida cities who seem way more chill, down to earth, and down to meet. We will see where this goes.

I just wish Tinder, Bumble, and Hinge were what they used to be for me years back. I wouldn't have to resort to this if that was the case.
 

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Miami is a city with a cocaine vibe. Meaning, you always want more, more, more. Glad you're finally looking in the boons.

We always pay for rides Jesse.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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