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Just to add my two cents...

Owning a gun for protection is a hassle. If you're forced to use it, you're going to be out a LOT of money in legal fees, and that's the best-case scenario; with the worst being you end up a fish in jail. The only upside to using a gun is that you're likely to still be alive after the encounter.

I own a full-sized 9mm, the ammo is by far the cheapest, so you can afford to practice with it the most, and it's perfectly fine for stopping anything short of a grizzly. Guns are dangerous and deserve respect, but they're fun and challenging to shoot well. The sport of shooting itself is half the reason I own a gun.

Concealed carry is pretty much mandatory in my opinon, if you can get it. In WA state it's worth it to avoid potential legal hassles. Open carry is legal here, but I've gotten enough negative attention while doing it that I no longer do. I only carry when I'm hiking and I don't carry around town. With concealed carry you'll need a small gun, which is much less pleasant to shoot than a larger service-style pistol.

Research your local laws and decide for yourself, guns are not to be taken lightly.
Fine. Buy a taser or stun gun. A US citizen can own one w/o a permit in most States. Aside from my firearms, I also have these:


Either have enough volts to stun a bear/dog/etc as well as human.
 

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I have never had to take another person’s life thank God, but there was one time where had I not been carrying a gun mine could have been taken. I was at a bar one night to meet a chick. Was talking to the chick I came to meet and her friend at the pool table. The boyfriend of the chicks friend thought I was hitting on his woman. He and six his friends followed me outside and we’re going to jump my azz. I tried to calmly talk my way out of the situation but that wasn’t going to fly. I had to flash my gun and pull it half way out , and my badge, and tell them to back the fvck off. This was before I got my off duty 9mm so I was packing my 40 concealed. When they saw I meant business They retreated and went back inside. Yes the badge might’ve helped a little but the gun was far more of an impact.
I have a few acquaintances that ended up in the hospital in your situation. Amen lefty
 

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Fine. Buy a taser or stun gun. A US citizen can own one w/o a permit in most States. Aside from my firearms, I also have these:


Either have enough volts to stun a bear/dog/etc as well as human.
Dude thanks for the post. Ill add this to my collection
 

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Fine. Buy a taser or stun gun. A US citizen can own one w/o a permit in most States. Aside from my firearms, I also have these:


Either have enough volts to stun a bear/dog/etc as well as human.
Tasers are something else. I had to ride the lightning during training. Worst 5 seconds of pain ever in my life. But then once the voltage is gone the pain is 100% gone as well in a split second. Zero after affects for me. I actually felt good a few seconds after, like my muscles had been recharged. This was with the police one with the probes in my lower back and azz cheek. With our police Tasers we got the probes in you so if we zap and then you don't behave we just zap you again easily. With the citizen grade ones where you have to put it all the way to the person's body without the benefit of the probes and distance, I have wondered how effective those really are. Because I can tell you once the voltage came off of me I could have came swinging instantly with full force and zero pain.
 

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Tasers are something else. I had to ride the lightning during training. Worst 5 seconds of pain ever in my life. But then once the voltage is gone the pain is 100% gone as well in a split second. Zero after affects for me. I actually felt good a few seconds after, like my muscles had been recharged. This was with the police one with the probes in my lower back and azz cheek. With our police Tasers we got the probes in you so if we zap and then you don't behave we just zap you again easily. With the citizen grade ones where you have to put it all the way to the person's body without the benefit of the probes and distance, I have wondered how effective those really are. Because I can tell you once the voltage came off of me I could have came swinging instantly with full force and zero pain.
Very true. The green one is you have to zap with direct contact and it's pretty powerful in terms of voltage. Higher than the police issued taser since it is direct contact. The other one I listed is the one with the prongs. I like them both and I've only drawn the green one and had no issues. The electric from the gun usually descales the situation pretty quickly. Are they as effective as a regular gun? Well, that depends. Will they kill a person, not likely, but possible. Will they deter and deescalate? Yes. Some people build up a tolerance, so there's that too. However, compared to dealing with killing a person and then being arrested and/or going to court; these are better as every day carries. The taser wins with 15 ft of distance and 30 sec. of continuous voltage (you can press the trigger again to continue the shock. However, the refills are not cheap. Each cartridge is around 35 bucks a piece. You may like getting electrocuted, but most people prefer to avoid it.
 

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I've also disarmed guns pointed at me in NYC back in the day. It's more fun too.
I don't know if this is supposed to be sarcasm, but on the odd chance it's not, this is surely a recipe for ending up dead.
 

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With guns, there is no resale value to speak of, yes? It seems like new ones are coming out all the time with improvements.
 

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They did a study a while back and found that a man's attitude towards gun ownership was correlated to that same man's attitude towards sleeping with another man's wife. Those who were more accepting of the idea of sleeping with another man's wife, were less accepting of the idea of gun ownership. I guess it makes sense: they are subliminally afraid of being shot by an angry husband.
 

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Owning a gun is something you should really give ALOT of thought to. You’re basically holding life and death in your hands. To me, deciding to buy a gun is a bigger decision than buying a house or a new car or choosing who to marry. It’s not something that should be done on a whim. I would strongly suggest going to a training class (take your gf or wife with you, they’re a lot of fun). You’ll learn more in the class than I could teach you in a lifetime, and I’ve been a gun owner since I was 12. With that said, once you buy your first gun you’ll buy a second and a 3rd and on and on. I have 6 handguns, 8 shotguns, 6 rifles. And I want more.
 

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With guns, there is no resale value to speak of, yes? It seems like new ones are coming out all the time with improvements.
Depends on the gun you buy. You have to buy smart like anything. If you buy a 9mm those are highly desirable because it’s a popular caliber, but then you get into the make of the gun. Is it a kel-Tec? Good luck giving it away. Is it a Glock 19? You’ll easily get 75% of your money back.
 

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Owning a gun is something you should really give ALOT of thought to. You’re basically holding life and death in your hands.
I really don't understand this mentality. A gun is just an object. It's not going to harm anyone unless you deliberately use it for that purpose or unless you are negligent. But negligence is also a risk with many other activities, such as driving a car. Anytime you get behind the wheel, you could kill yourself or somebody else. Learn the basic gun safety rules (they aren't complicated) and exercise common sense.
 

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With guns, there is no resale value to speak of, yes? It seems like new ones are coming out all the time with improvements.
It's like cars. Old guns can go for a lot of money but used recent models aren't worth their purchase price. The difference is that there is a thriving industry that makes fake collectible guns, and this is much easier with guns than cars. You really need to know what you're doing if you get into collecting to avoid getting ripped off.

There have been very few real advances in firearms technology since the 1930s. New models are released just to keep the industry going, but there's little to nothing new in how they work.
 

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I really don't understand this mentality. A gun is just an object. It's not going to harm anyone unless you deliberately use it for that purpose or unless you are negligent. But negligence is also a risk with many other activities, such as driving a car. Anytime you get behind the wheel, you could kill yourself or somebody else. Learn the basic gun safety rules (they aren't complicated) and exercise common sense.
The mentality I’m talking about is having the mindset that you will use it if you have to. A lot of first time gun buyers (not the op) think “we’ll I’ll just scare them with it, I won’t ever have to shoot anyone”. You have to have the mindset that you will kill someone if you need to defend yourself or loved ones. That’s a mental hurdle not many people can overcome. A gun is a tool, all tools should be understood and learned with practice or they can be dangerous. A chainsaw is for cutting wood but it can also cut your legs off easily. Learning gun safety rules is one thing, but he’s wanting to buy for home defense. That’s why I suggested taking a gun class because they will teach you how to operate under stressful conditions and all other scenarios you could face while defending your home or out and about. Little things like how to properly draw, how to fire two rapid shots instead of just one, how to clear a failure to feed or failure to eject while under stress in the middle of a fight, etc.
 

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I don't know if this is supposed to be sarcasm, but on the odd chance it's not, this is surely a recipe for ending up dead.
No, wasn't sarcasm. Guns pointed at a person at point blank range, I would had been dead anyway. Was I lucky? Not sure. But close hand combat and disarmament training helped a lot.
 

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Owning a gun is something you should really give ALOT of thought to. You’re basically holding life and death in your hands. To me, deciding to buy a gun is a bigger decision than buying a house or a new car or choosing who to marry. It’s not something that should be done on a whim. I would strongly suggest going to a training class (take your gf or wife with you, they’re a lot of fun). You’ll learn more in the class than I could teach you in a lifetime, and I’ve been a gun owner since I was 12. With that said, once you buy your first gun you’ll buy a second and a 3rd and on and on. I have 6 handguns, 8 shotguns, 6 rifles. And I want more.
How did you buy a gun at 12? You have to be 18 to legally own a firearm.
 

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How did you buy a gun at 12? You have to be 18 to legally own a firearm.
Birthday present from grandparents. It was a single shot 20ga. New England firearms, still have it. Next year they gave me a .243 Savage. I’d been shooting my dads guns before that but never had one to call “mine” outright. I don’t even remember what my first gun was that I bought myself, I’ve owned so many that it got lost in the shuffle.
 

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If you are looking for self defense in everyday life , martial arts or boxing will be better , and more practical, pick one and master it , you will not have time to master everything .
Owning guns in Canada is mostly for hunting , I already passed the safety course , just need to apply for license , you are not allowed to shoot the theft if some one break in to your home, also the rules to keep the ammo in separate place than the gun.
So legally it is impossible to use it in self defense. however, if you think the Apocalypse is coming or the system is is going to fail , it is good to have one , most people will choose the unarmed house to break in than an armed house lets say to get some food or money.
 

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If you are looking for self defense in everyday life , martial arts or boxing will be better , and more practical, pick one and master it , you will not have time to master everything .
Owning guns in Canada is mostly for hunting , I already passed the safety course , just need to apply for license , you are not allowed to shoot the theft if some one break in to your home, also the rules to keep the ammo in separate place than the gun.
So legally it is impossible to use it in self defense. however, if you think the Apocalypse is coming or the system is is going to fail , it is good to have one , most people will choose the unarmed house to break in than an armed house lets say to get some food or money.
The weird thing is y’all can get guns imported from China but we can’t. And yet your gun laws are WAY more strict.
 
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