"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Got this girls number 2-3 days ago. Sent her a text today

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Hi Guys,

Got her number 2-3 days ago. Texted her today saying, "Hey _____, lets grab coffee at 8:00 pm at ______?

She replied back saying "Hi, I just registered this phone, who is this?" My mistake, momentum already killed. I thought that, my name would appear on whats app. Anyway, responded saying Ben Dover, from Thursday.

She replied back saying, "Ahhh! Hi! How are you? I have to check for this week"

Haven't replied since. Do I make her feel discomfort by not responding? What would you guys do in this situation?

I don't want to be an AFC saying "Oh yeah! Good! How are you? Let me know when you're free!!"
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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You should have text her the next day after getting her number. Women have so many options nowadays, its almost sickening. So, you need to strike while the iron is hot.

Also, you shouldn't have asked about a date in your first message. It makes you come off as needy and desperate. You need to throw some banter in there to build comfort before bringing up the date.

I would probably move on and not respond. You already ruined it.
 

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You should have text her the next day after getting her number. Women have so many options nowadays, its almost sickening. So, you need to strike while the iron is hot.

Also, you shouldn't have asked about a date in your first message. It makes you come off as needy and desperate. You need to throw some banter in there to build comfort before bringing up the date.

I would probably move on and not respond. You already ruined it.
I waited 2-3 days. I didn't know I was supposed to make play fun banter. I read otherwise, and got told otherwise here. So now what? Do I just stop trying?
 

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Do I stop replying to her now? I'm actually kind of pissed. Maybe I should receive one piece of advice instead of different variations. this is why I never bothered so much headache and ****. I was better off doing things to get me into medical school rather than chasing stupid bitches. Oh but I actually give some effort, and what I do is wrong or needy! Everyone has their own opinion I guess
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I waited 2-3 days. I didn't know I was supposed to make play fun banter. I read otherwise, and got told otherwise here. So now what? Do I just stop trying?
Waiting 2 - 3 days is way to long, espeially in 2017. She probably already forgot who you were.

Of course you need to throw in banter. This goes back to the old Mystery Method M3 Model. You can never skip any of the steps and go right to seduction. It just won't work.

M3 Model
1. Attraction
2. Comfort
3. Seduction

You could try to re engage in a couple days, but I wouldn't bother. When a woman is interested in you, she will make time to see you. This girl did not do this. You came off as needy and desperate. Kind of hard to reverse that now.

I would just game on other girls. The more options the better. There is a lot of bad advice online. The best way to learn is through trial and error. You need to make mistakes to learn.
 

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Do I stop replying to her now? I'm actually kind of pissed. Maybe I should receive one piece of advice instead of different variations. this is why I never bothered so much headache and ****. I was better off doing things to get me into medical school rather than chasing stupid bitches. Oh but I actually give some effort, and what I do is wrong or needy! Everyone has their own opinion I guess
Your just pissed because you have lack of options. I've been there myself. If you had a bunch of other girls you could text, would you honestly care if this one rejected you? No, you wouldn't, because you could just turn around and text another girl. You sound like you have "build it and they will come" mentality. It's great that you built a good life and career for yourself, but women just won't fall into your lap. You have to put yourself out there and put in work if you want women. Learn from your mistakes. I'm still learning. It never ends...
 

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You should have text her the next day after getting her number. Women have so many options nowadays, its almost sickening. So, you need to strike while the iron is hot.

Also, you shouldn't have asked about a date in your first message. It makes you come off as needy and desperate. You need to throw some banter in there to build comfort before bringing up the date.

I would probably move on and not respond. You already ruined it.
I disagree that asking for the date in the first text makes you needy. I's direct. You state what you want and don't screw around. I use this method and it works well for me. Some of the women said that they like my directness.
 

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I disagree that asking for the date in the first text makes you needy. I's direct. You state what you want and don't screw around. I use this method and it works well for me. Some of the women said that they like my directness.
It helps when the woman knows who you are. She didn't even know who he was.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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What do you mean, she entered my number in my phone, and I talked with her for 20 minutes. I was unaware that whatsapp didn't mention my name.
She asked who you were, so that would mean she didn't know who you were.
So do I reply back to her or what?
I would wait a couple days and text back. But, start off with some banter and then eventually bring up the date. Don't ackowledge her last text she sent you.
 

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She asked who you were, so that would mean she didn't know who you were.I would wait a couple days and text back. But, start off with some banter and then eventually bring up the date. Don't ackowledge her last text she sent you.
Like what is banter? Give me some examples. Additionally, I am not in medical school. I will be applying in a few years
 

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Like what is banter? Give me some examples. Additionally, I am not in medical school. I will be applying in a few years
Small talk. I can't tell you what to say here. Ask her some questions like what she did over the weekend, etc. Try to throw in some humour. You will have to learn for yourself.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Waiting 2 - 3 days is way to long, espeially in 2017. She probably already forgot who you were.

Of course you need to throw in banter. This goes back to the old Mystery Method M3 Model. You can never skip any of the steps and go right to seduction. It just won't work.

M3 Model
1. Attraction
2. Comfort
3. Seduction

You could try to re engage in a couple days, but I wouldn't bother. When a woman is interested in you, she will make time to see you. This girl did not do this. You came off as needy and desperate. Kind of hard to reverse that now.

I would just game on other girls. The more options the better. There is a lot of bad advice online. The best way to learn is through trial and error. You need to make mistakes to learn.
She's a college student same as me. What happens if she has class at 8? What happens if she has papers to grade? She's a TA (teaching assistant) for the professor.. She's a masters French student. She's gonna drop all of that to come see me? Doesn't make sense.
 

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She's a college student same as me. What happens if she has class at 8? What happens if she has papers to grade? She's a TA (teaching assistant) for the professor.. She's a masters French student. She's gonna drop all of that to come see me? Doesn't make sense.
She might not drop things, but I'm sure she can find some time to see you. Trust me, if a women is really interested, she will make time to see you. Do you think a women would make time to see Brad Pitt? You know the answer...
 

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She either really knows who you are, or she is acting nice and pretending. She said she will need to check her schedule for this week, so you are not the hitter yet. Wait for her to respond with a time and day to meet. If she doesn't get back to you, her attraction is low.
 

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What do you mean by the hitter?
It's her turn to initiate. You've already said you wanted to get coffee and made your interest clear. She said she would check her schedule for the week.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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