"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Got the dreaded "nice guy", but more attention?

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Was about to ask for her number, but the "nice guy" comment just threw me off.

Also she came with a buddy of mine she just met awhile ago. He was defintely thrown into the friend zne and even admitted it. Forgot to add, she blatantly told me they weren't sleeping together. Did not want to look like a doushe right in front of him and everyone and look like im c0ckblocking my friend.
 

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hangnailz2013 said:
Met this chick with a group of about 10 people. Immediate attraction from me.

Without even knowing each others names, we were playing drinking games, and we were playfully fighting, flirting, etc. She playfully punched me a few times, made contact, I made her laugh, made fun of her, acted like a **** in a nice way.

Later on we had a small kind of, "life/what do you do/random" conversation where I continued to make her laugh. Definite chemistry. Even a friend jokingly said in front of everyone, "wow, this chick actually likes you."

After only knowing her for a couple hours, and offering her to come back over again, she stood up to leave and immediately openly came to me for a hug before anyone in the room. It was a tight, definite pressing longer than usual hug. One at the time I was thinking "damn, this chick is into me." I made a joke making fun of her in her ear.

Then i got the dreaded "youre' a nice guy."

She proceeded to give my friends goodbye hugs, but they were all the definite ass sticking out, awkward, "because she gave me a hug, she was obligated to hug everyone else" hugs.

Then saw her look at me and wave one more time before leaving.

Should I proceed with anything? Was the "nice guy" comment the sterotypical "I like you, but not sexually" comment? What's the deal... mixed signals.

did you even get her number? a name?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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"youre' a nice guy."
a lot is made of this and usually and rightly, negatively. in this instance though I think there is still room to pursue. you should really have ignored the comment and continued, she was with another guy after all, she wasnt going to outright tell you I want your pants on my bedroom floor was she?

the key thing to learn from this is dont delay, strike at the first instance, by not doing so, you are affirming the nice guy status. had you suggested a date another time and got the "youre' a nice guy." then you were dead in the water.
not sure how you pursue this now as Im not sure what the social dynamics are
 

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betheman said:
"youre' a nice guy."
a lot is made of this and usually and rightly, negatively. in this instance though I think there is still room to pursue. you should really have ignored the comment and continued, she was with another guy after all, she wasnt going to outright tell you I want your pants on my bedroom floor was she?

the key thing to learn from this is dont delay, strike at the first instance, by not doing so, you are affirming the nice guy status. had you suggested a date another time and got the "youre' a nice guy." then you were dead in the water.
not sure how you pursue this now as Im not sure what the social dynamics are
Come to think of it, I did say "you're welcome to come back if... (then made fun of her, can't remember what)"

Then got the "your a nice guy"

Then told her she should come to one of our parties, and she said she had to work that weekend or whatever, with a look of disappointment.

Sounds like I'm dead in the water. You may have nailed it. I offered for her to come back, then got the "comment."

But I know I'll see her again, she hangs out with my boy a lot who comes over a ton.
 

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if you do see her in a similar situation again, play it cool, dont go to her, if she is interested she will make it known, then strike, be direct, confident, get her on her own and get more sexual, that will get rid of the nice guy vibe, if she isnt interested well at least you will find out quickly
 

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betheman said:
"youre' a nice guy." a lot is made of this and usually and rightly, negatively. in this instance though I think there is still room to pursue. you should really have ignored the comment and continued, she was with another guy after all, she wasnt going to outright tell you I want your pants on my bedroom floor was she?
This ^

This is a perfect example to remind ourselves about the importance of judging a woman by her actions and not her words. OP, I think you overreacted to her comment. The term "nice guy" is demonized in this forum. This, in turn, may have caused you to have a distorted view of the situation and subsequent misinterpretation of the meaning of the phrase (in its actual context). That is, just because her saying you're a nice guy is seen as something negative here does not mean that you should take her comment negatively outside of the forum context. In the actual (party) context, in my opinion, the combination of words resembled more of an "I like you; I really hope to see you again" kind of message, rather than a rejection or friend-zoning effort. You allowed her words to dictate your behavior, and as a result, you decided not to pursue a potentially high-interest female. Learn from it and think about it next time before you want to chicken out--overall, a good post.

PS: if you ever see her again, make the move without hesitation; it is evident to others who were in that context and even to someone reading it on a screen (me) that she was attracted to you. On the other hand, there are times (actually, most times) in which the notorious "nice guy" phrase is, in fact, a sign of disinterest and friend-zoning. Hence, it is critically important to have acuity around different contexts and react in accordance with such.

Keep being money,

-R
 

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Get off this site and live a little more life.

A TON of chicks like nice guys. They like nice guys who are smart, well-dressed, good looking, suave, ambitious, etc.

The guys who get the "nice guy" and no pvssy are none of the above. If you have the above you can be (and probably should be) nice.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Robyn923b said:
This ^

This is a perfect example to remind ourselves about the importance of judging a woman by her actions and not her words. OP, I think you overreacted to her comment. The term "nice guy" is demonized in this forum. This, in turn, may have caused you to have a distorted view of the situation and subsequent misinterpretation of the meaning of the phrase (in its actual context). That is, just because her saying you're a nice guy is seen as something negative here does not mean that you should take her comment negatively outside of the forum context. In the actual (party) context, in my opinion, the combination of words resembled more of an "I like you; I really hope to see you again" kind of message, rather than a rejection or friend-zoning effort. You allowed her words to dictate your behavior, and as a result, you decided not to pursue a potentially high-interest female. Learn from it and think about it next time before you want to chicken out--overall, a good post.

PS: if you ever see her again, make the move without hesitation; it is evident to others who were in that context and even to someone reading it on a screen (me) that she was attracted to you.

Keep being money,

-R
^ You're the man. Thanks for the confidence, I needed that. I thought I was money too, but a combination of the comment and my friend being there (he obviously wants her even though he knows he's in the friend zone) just threw me off. Appreciate it my man.
 

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Meh... I've been called nice, sweet, a good listener, attentive, understanding, etc by women who were VERY interested. I've also been given the friends line - only to have them show interest later, or want FWBs (they always label everyone theyre just ****ing as friends... ALWAYS).

Read nothing into anything. Its not always cut and dry - 'cause most women are indecisive, confusing,and crazy. **** changes, doesnrt mean what you think, etc. This is a good way to get mind-****ed - by deciphering everything, and trying to connect it, so dont. Even her mentioning a BF doesnt mean not interested.

Follow her ACTIONS, attraction, and interest level. If you get blown off, told specifically just friends, given not ready / looking excuses, no signs of romantic interest, moving away from physical contact, no sexual inneundos or advances... Then yeah, lost cause. Otherwise, open opportunity.

Dont dwell on this ****. But dont mistake friendly for romantic, and make sure she's not a tease or AW.
 
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