hangnailz2013
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Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
hangnailz2013 said:Met this chick with a group of about 10 people. Immediate attraction from me.
Without even knowing each others names, we were playing drinking games, and we were playfully fighting, flirting, etc. She playfully punched me a few times, made contact, I made her laugh, made fun of her, acted like a **** in a nice way.
Later on we had a small kind of, "life/what do you do/random" conversation where I continued to make her laugh. Definite chemistry. Even a friend jokingly said in front of everyone, "wow, this chick actually likes you."
After only knowing her for a couple hours, and offering her to come back over again, she stood up to leave and immediately openly came to me for a hug before anyone in the room. It was a tight, definite pressing longer than usual hug. One at the time I was thinking "damn, this chick is into me." I made a joke making fun of her in her ear.
Then i got the dreaded "youre' a nice guy."
She proceeded to give my friends goodbye hugs, but they were all the definite ass sticking out, awkward, "because she gave me a hug, she was obligated to hug everyone else" hugs.
Then saw her look at me and wave one more time before leaving.
Should I proceed with anything? Was the "nice guy" comment the sterotypical "I like you, but not sexually" comment? What's the deal... mixed signals.
Got her name figured I'd get her number before she left. comment struck me the wrong waybetheman said:did you even get her number? a name?
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Come to think of it, I did say "you're welcome to come back if... (then made fun of her, can't remember what)"betheman said:"youre' a nice guy."
a lot is made of this and usually and rightly, negatively. in this instance though I think there is still room to pursue. you should really have ignored the comment and continued, she was with another guy after all, she wasnt going to outright tell you I want your pants on my bedroom floor was she?
the key thing to learn from this is dont delay, strike at the first instance, by not doing so, you are affirming the nice guy status. had you suggested a date another time and got the "youre' a nice guy." then you were dead in the water.
not sure how you pursue this now as Im not sure what the social dynamics are
This ^betheman said:"youre' a nice guy." a lot is made of this and usually and rightly, negatively. in this instance though I think there is still room to pursue. you should really have ignored the comment and continued, she was with another guy after all, she wasnt going to outright tell you I want your pants on my bedroom floor was she?
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
^ You're the man. Thanks for the confidence, I needed that. I thought I was money too, but a combination of the comment and my friend being there (he obviously wants her even though he knows he's in the friend zone) just threw me off. Appreciate it my man.Robyn923b said:This ^
This is a perfect example to remind ourselves about the importance of judging a woman by her actions and not her words. OP, I think you overreacted to her comment. The term "nice guy" is demonized in this forum. This, in turn, may have caused you to have a distorted view of the situation and subsequent misinterpretation of the meaning of the phrase (in its actual context). That is, just because her saying you're a nice guy is seen as something negative here does not mean that you should take her comment negatively outside of the forum context. In the actual (party) context, in my opinion, the combination of words resembled more of an "I like you; I really hope to see you again" kind of message, rather than a rejection or friend-zoning effort. You allowed her words to dictate your behavior, and as a result, you decided not to pursue a potentially high-interest female. Learn from it and think about it next time before you want to chicken out--overall, a good post.
PS: if you ever see her again, make the move without hesitation; it is evident to others who were in that context and even to someone reading it on a screen (me) that she was attracted to you.
Keep being money,
-R