"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Got off the phone with her and she gets pissed.

baurman

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I was talking on the phone with this chick for about 2 hours, but everytime I tried to get off the phone with her...she wouldn't let me. Finally, I just told her "Look, I'm tired, My brain isn't functioning well, I'm going to sleep and I'll call you tomorrow." She got pissed and was like "Fine. I'll call someone who will talk to me." This was about 1 in the morning too. She told me that she slept all day and is 'insomniac' or something and couldn't sleep and she really wanted to talk to me. but I was tired as all hell. So I just told her that again and she just says "Whatever, bye :click:" and just hangs up on me. What is this game she is playing? I mean damn I have to stay on the phone with her all night until SHE wants to get off and then we'll both be happy? What do I do next when I call her? Just act like nothing happened or what? I want to get with this chick but I just can't stand how she gets pissed whenever I want to get off the phone and it seems like it is ruining my game. Thoughts anyone?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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let her miss you for a while, be busy. Then you call her in a few days to a week. This time you hang up when you feel like. Also, WHY ON EARTH are you talking to a woman for 2 hours on the phone. You just became her girlfriend. Men only need about 10 minutes (even thats alot) to get the point across.
 

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It's supposed to be the beginning stages of bf/gf even though it's not really official. I'm waiting for her to ask me to be exclusive. I want a relationship with her, I just hate staying on the phone. I'm not even a phone person too. I tried to not call her yesterday cause I KNEW she would keep me on the phone, but she ended up calling me and was all like "Why didn't you call!!" and then every second I tried to get off the phone, she kept me on until I was dead tired and had no choice, then she gets pissed and hangs up on me.
 

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baurman said:
It's supposed to be the beginning stages of bf/gf even though it's not really official. I'm waiting for her to ask me to be exclusive. I want a relationship with her, I just hate staying on the phone. I'm not even a phone person too. I tried to not call her yesterday cause I KNEW she would keep me on the phone, but she ended up calling me and was all like "Why didn't you call!!" and then every second I tried to get off the phone, she kept me on until I was dead tired and had no choice, then she gets pissed and hangs up on me.

I think she's holding out for the "dead" part. :nono:
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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blackbelt2k

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in the nicest way i can say this, this chick is a mental case. While you're fullfilling her "girlfriend" role, i'm willing to bet there is another man fullfilling her "boyfriend" role. Reach down deep, find your pair, and stop being so needy that you need to actually pick up the phone when she calls.
 

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That was insane.

The insane part was that she kept you on the phone for 2 hours.

Set your boundries early on. I usually inform whomever I see that I am not the phoneaholic type and I prefer talking to them face to face. Beside's keeping the costs of my phone bill down, it also makes me a chalenge in their eyes and it let them know that they can't just talk to me and reach me whenever its convenient for them. If she wants to chat on the phone, I am sure she has like 10 different girlfriends she can call and will be more then happy to waste their own time with her.

Don't be phased by her immature tantrum and don't appologise for it. If she is crazy and being insomniac, why do you have to suffer as well?!!
 

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I guess next time I'll just make her get off the phone even if it pisses her off. If that's what will make her want me more. Even though it seems like it will push her away, but we'll see.
 

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the problem isn't the phone dude, its YOU WANTING HER to want you. That should NEVER NEVER be your outlook. You've already set her up as the prize. Please read the bible again. It really is in your best interest.
 

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blackbelt2k said:
let her miss you for a while, be busy. Then you call her in a few days to a week. This time you hang up when you feel like. Also, WHY ON EARTH are you talking to a woman for 2 hours on the phone. You just became her girlfriend. Men only need about 10 minutes (even thats alot) to get the point across.

Agreed. Read Blackbelts post one more time to really make sure this message gets across to you. Get on the phone, set the date, then hang up. Its that easy.

This girl isnt playing a game, she is just really needy, and that is someone i suggest you stay away from. She is a telephone time waster, she doesn't wanna go out with you, she is simply just bored and wants some male attention. So next time you phone her you should just ask her out for your date and keep the phone call under 5 minutes. If she doesnt accept your date then get rid of her.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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The fact that you are talking on the phone with her for hours and still willing to date her when she treats you this way speaks volumes about your level of masculinity. I suggest you read the Book of Pook and grow up.
 

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Lets see she's massively immature and irrationally angry about you needing sleep and extremely selfish with your time...

Explain to us why this one isn't nexted yet please.
 

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I dated a girl that did this. It was so annoying. She ended up having major personality issues. I will never do it again. There is no benefit to me to staying on the phone for a long time.

Next time you talk to her, just tell her that you don't want to spend a lot of time on the phone. That you'd rather talk to her face to face.
 

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Why weren't you at her house or she at yours if you were going to talk for so long?
 

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Have you banged her yet?
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Why didn't you just talk to her in person face-to-face if she wanted to talk to you that bad?
She must of had something she needed to talk to you about,
you know you're not suppose to talk on the phone and be her gf, the phone is suppose to be used to meet her, not talk to her continuously...but I understand this is an issue you have to deal with in a LTR, but TBH these kind of girls have issues and are total nut cases that you should stay away from. If you're not banging her already, then you will feel used till no end and she will keep on demanding of you more, consider finding another girl because this girl is not mature enough for you...
 

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Yes...I've banged her already. She lives about 30 miles away so i dont see her much.
 

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baurman said:
She lives about 30 miles away so i dont see her much.
And thats the magic answer. Do you see her at least once or twice a week? If not then you are in a long distance relationship.

You need to analyze what you are getting out of this relationship.
 

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why do you worry about her ? shes selfish as hell.
She hanged up on you and you re looking for excuse? You were dead tired so don't apologize for ! let her call someone else if she wanted to and get some sleep !

the next time, set a date, bang her and drive back home just after.;)

cheers
 

Francisco d'Anconia

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Maxtro said:
And thats the magic answer. Do you see her at least once or twice a week? If not then you are in a long distance relationship.

You need to analyze what you are getting out of this relationship.
Hallelujah brother! :yes:
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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