"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Got a girl's number when I was at Lowe's

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I had to go to Lowe's this evening to pick up an online order I had made for a kitchen and bath remodel project at my place. Anyway, there was a cute girl that was working the customer service desk who was working with me. There were some errors that were made with my order so we had to wait for a while whilst someone else was retrieving the right parts. I ended up talking to her for a while, learned that she had just moved to the area and just exchanged basic conversational banter. She was pretty cute, had a nice ass and was pleasant to speak with so when I finally got everything I needed I asked her for her number before leaving. She smiled but hesitated for a bit and I said sarcastically that if she said no it'd be ok but that I'd just go home and cry. She ended up giving me her number, I left and when I got home I sent her a quick text, to which she replied.

We've been texting back and forth a bit so I have a general idea as to when she is available, what part of town she lives in and just some basic ideas in regards to what she likes to do.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Not this sh1t again. Just copy and paste the posts from any previous sanghelios/bigdave17 thread.

Always ends with: "boo hoo hoo, I didn't get laid even though I'm 6'4", very good looking (for an Armenian guy), filthy rich (no. 1 car salesman in the chicago metro area/have a million dollars in cryptocurrency investments), have a million friends and a great guy. All women must be evil/dumb/a waste of time!"
 

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I had to go to Lowe's this evening to pick up an online order I had made for a kitchen and bath remodel project at my place. Anyway, there was a cute girl that was working the customer service desk who was working with me. There were some errors that were made with my order so we had to wait for a while whilst someone else was retrieving the right parts. I ended up talking to her for a while, learned that she had just moved to the area and just exchanged basic conversational banter. She was pretty cute, had a nice ass and was pleasant to speak with so when I finally got everything I needed I asked her for her number before leaving. She smiled but hesitated for a bit and I said sarcastically that if she said no it'd be ok but that I'd just go home and cry. She ended up giving me her number, I left and when I got home I sent her a quick text, to which she replied.

We've been texting back and forth a bit so I have a general idea as to when she is available, what part of town she lives in and just some basic ideas in regards to what she likes to do.
Let her initiate the texts and try to be funny and flirtatious. The only text you should initiate from here is one that leads to a date.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Let her initiate the texts and try to be funny and flirtatious. The only text you should initiate from here is one that leads to a date.

I told her I would text her tomorrow with a plan, she mentioned just meeting up for something simple like drinks, which is a good one because it's cheap and casual. This was through a brief exchange of texts after I had gotten home.
 

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I told her I would text her tomorrow with a plan, she mentioned just meeting up for something simple like drinks, which is a good one because it's cheap and casual. This was through a brief exchange of texts after I had gotten home.
This is clearly all a figment of your imagination. Just like your million dollars in cryptocurrency and your title of #1 car salesman in the greater chicago metro area. And your trip to Armenia. And being 6'4". And....everything.

Get a life, dude. Wasting your life on pua fiction trolling is no way to spend your time.
 

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Dave, go back to your porn pile quit wasting our time.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Yup. Its Dave. Striking out in his sophomoric attempts to justify his ineptness in dealing with the real world. Thanks for the confirmation.
 

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I had to go to Lowe's this evening to pick up an online order I had made for a kitchen and bath remodel project at my place. Anyway, there was a cute girl that was working the customer service desk who was working with me. There were some errors that were made with my order so we had to wait for a while whilst someone else was retrieving the right parts. I ended up talking to her for a while, learned that she had just moved to the area and just exchanged basic conversational banter. She was pretty cute, had a nice ass and was pleasant to speak with so when I finally got everything I needed I asked her for her number before leaving. She smiled but hesitated for a bit and I said sarcastically that if she said no it'd be ok but that I'd just go home and cry. She ended up giving me her number, I left and when I got home I sent her a quick text, to which she replied.

We've been texting back and forth a bit so I have a general idea as to when she is available, what part of town she lives in and just some basic ideas in regards to what she likes to do.
So I've thought of this before. I was at whole foods today. One of the girls working the counter has an incredible a$$, great body. I've often though of walking right up to her next time I'm in and saying "You have a great caboose, I'd like to get to know the rest of you" and see what she says. Over/under on me getting thrown out?
 

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"You have a great caboose, I'd like to get to know the rest of you" and see what she says. Over/under on me getting thrown out?
Thrown out or not, I wouldn’t talk about her azz first, makes you seem needy/horny to her, If you want to compliment and talk looks, tell her she’s highly decent looking and has a good personality that you’ve observed before the want to get to know her better line…
Better yet, go straight into the personality aspect first, but any woman that thinks her backdoor is her best asset doesn’t have much else to offer you…
 

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you know gonna repeat, you can get a girls number, that means nothing, the same way I did get some girls number and never called back, because I lost interest and was just a way to put myself out

you do this ask her out to do something you like, if she shows up good, if not or she refuse you stop wasting time and find someone else
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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So I've thought of this before. I was at whole foods today. One of the girls working the counter has an incredible a$$, great body. I've often though of walking right up to her next time I'm in and saying "You have a great caboose, I'd like to get to know the rest of you" and see what she says. Over/under on me getting thrown out?
I don't think it'd be a good idea to have your first thing be a compliment about how she has a great ass lol. I'm sure she is already aware of it, but I'm sure for some women out there that might actually work lol.
 

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you know gonna repeat, you can get a girls number, that means nothing, the same way I did get some girls number and never called back, because I lost interest and was just a way to put myself out

you do this ask her out to do something you like, if she shows up good, if not or she refuse you stop wasting time and find someone else
I'm aware of that, I've gotten a lot of numbers when I'd go out with friends to bars and stuff but it was pretty normal for them not to lead to anything. We've already made plans to meet up later this evening, just going to buy her a drink. However, I've also had women flake the very last minute and hell even going on a date doesn't always lead to anything more.
 

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I don't think it'd be a good idea to have your first thing be a compliment about how she has a great ass lol. I'm sure she is already aware of it, but I'm sure for some women out there that might actually work lol.
See, that's what I'm wondering. I'm usually pretty forward, especially when I want it. I've always found that being forward works pretty well. Doesn't always work but it does work quite a bit.
 

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See, that's what I'm wondering. I'm usually pretty forward, especially when I want it. I've always found that being forward works pretty well. Doesn't always work but it does work quite a bit.
I think this might have more to do with the context of the situation and the manner of which you actually approached her and said this. A while ago I got a woman's number from the bank, she was one of the bankers that worked there. When we were done she asked me if there was anything else I needed and I asked for her number, she asked what I'd need it for and I said I thought she was sexy and wanted to take her out. She gave me her number, we exchanged texts back and forth but she ended up flaking on our date, which really had nothing to do with what I had said to her.
 

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Yup. Its Dave. Striking out in his sophomoric attempts to justify his ineptness in dealing with the real world. Thanks for the confirmation.
Notice how he keeps bumping his own thread every few minutes as a desperate plea for attention. Classic BigDave17 attention whoring. Also, he goes bipolar, flipping from crying emo to raging lunatic to try to keep the thread at the top of the page. Pathetic.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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