"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Got a date with a stripper but wondering...

bigneil

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On Sunday I went to a strip bar in my new city and was approached by a 5'9" blonde. Around here the strippers practically attack you when you walk in and she was no exception. She told me she loved my eyes. I bought her a drink as we talked. I said I thought I lost my cell phone and she said "well what's your number - I'll call you". She eagerly called me and said "do you feel it vibrating?" Seemed like an excuse to get my number but I didn't argue.

I got a $20 table dance and then left but I later texted her. She's wrote back immediately and has been texting all week, initiating the conversations. In one message she said she'd love to get together.

So just now I texted "I'll be going downtown Friday if you'd like to join me. What is your schedule like?" She wrote back and said she'd love to join me but I have to pick her up at work (she has a day shift).

She's only 7 years younger and has 2 kids so she's no prize but she is about an 8.5 as are most of my girlfriends. I'm around that range myself.

So it looks like a date but two concerns:

1) Is she going to be contaminated from work?
2) Is she thinking of this as a date or a service?

What do you think?
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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pdx1138

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#2 is a definite possibility.

however it goes, watch out for her sending texts that you should come to her work and hang out.
 

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We're going downtown for dinner. She didn't say anything about my paying which they normally pre-negotiate.

Should I just come right out and ask "is this a date or an escort?"
 

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Well the good thing is that you've already got your eyes open for potential trickery.

I'm expecting something bad. But hey, maybe you pulled yourself a stripper. Guess we'll find out.
 

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Thinking of calling her and laying it on the line but it's a super-awkward question and asking if I have to pay doesn't exactly sound confident. It's like the famous line: "Can I buy you a drink or do you just want the money?"
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Well I called her and she told me her real name, her real age (she's 6 years younger not 7), her favorite restaurant, where she lives and said she wants me to drive her home from work to change before dinner (she has no car). Said she can't wait to see me and that she hardly ever gets out. I didn't bother getting explicit about whether I have to pay her as I figure she would have told me at that point.

Now the question is, how comfortable will I be dating a glorified prostitute? It is a $600 value, and compared to my BPD oneitis ex (who I have long suspected is a former escort) it can't be much worse. And she's a virtual virgin compared to women who work at the Federal Reserve, CDC or FDA.
 

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bigneil said:
Now the question is, how comfortable will I be dating a glorified prostitute? It is a $600 value, and compared to my BPD oneitis ex (who I have long suspected is a former escort) it can't be much worse. And she's a virtual virgin compared to women who work at the Federal Reserve, CDC or FDA.
Strippers aren't always fvcked up, I've known a few that were normal girls just wanting to make easy money, so just go for it and have fun and see where it leads.
 

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Strippers are always up to something. One went out on dates with me in my early 20's always had some good excuse to get out of giving me what I wanted. Wasted a bunch of money for nothing when I was young and stupid. If you can manage to bang a stripper you are doing very well.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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JLay87 said:
Strippers aren't always fvcked up, I've known a few that were normal girls just wanting to make easy money, so just go for it and have fun and see where it leads.
QFT.
NOt all stripeprs are mentally ****ed up and have daddy isssues as your making it out to seem haha
If that is what she has actually been telling you on the phone, its pretty obvious she is not doing this as an escort. IF you straight up ask her, you will crash and burn. So no do not do it.. Just play it out like any other date.. take her someplace exciting and keep your value up. She seems really interested if she is initiating alot of the texting so it seems like the deal is already sealed.. just dont **** it up by asking her if you have to pay lol!!

ps. ive known a few strippers and as Jlay87 said, alot of them are just doing it to make extra money to get through college. I'm actually good friends with one and she is an amazing person. Really witty and funny, and not a skank at all.. and works the place like a champ. She's good at what she does so she does it.. not through college, not for anything. But just as a job.. think about it just as a job. Tell her its just another job and theres nothing wrong with being a stripper and she'll be putty in your hands ;)
 

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*Sighs* Gosh have mercy. I just hope the baby doesn't turn out to be a girl if you get her preggo with her third child. :D
 

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The_Crack said:
ps. ive known a few strippers and as Jlay87 said, alot of them are just doing it to make extra money to get through college. I'm actually good friends with one and she is an amazing person. Really witty and funny, and not a skank at all..
Try dating her or entering into an LTR with her and re-read what you wrote here.
 

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Just have a date and pretend its a normal situation, if she brings out the money topic just tell her that you got her wrong and take her back home.

In that case you both wasted time but at least you will stop mindfking your self and learn from that.

If everything goes smooth, have fun ;)
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Treat her like any other woman. bring your a game, establish alpha so she knows she cant run her game on you (sep urself from being a mark)
 

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As Matthew Fitzgerald wrote in Sexploytation: "The Prostitute is the more ethical counterpart to the American Woman" for she negotiates a fair deal.
 

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Someone Much cooler said:
if they dont respect you strippers are as cruel as any other woman.
They are much more cruel than the average chick. Prostitutes are the only ethical women.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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