"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Got a date with a stripper but wondering...

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On Sunday I went to a strip bar in my new city and was approached by a 5'9" blonde. Around here the strippers practically attack you when you walk in and she was no exception. She told me she loved my eyes. I bought her a drink as we talked. I said I thought I lost my cell phone and she said "well what's your number - I'll call you". She eagerly called me and said "do you feel it vibrating?" Seemed like an excuse to get my number but I didn't argue.

I got a $20 table dance and then left but I later texted her. She's wrote back immediately and has been texting all week, initiating the conversations. In one message she said she'd love to get together.

So just now I texted "I'll be going downtown Friday if you'd like to join me. What is your schedule like?" She wrote back and said she'd love to join me but I have to pick her up at work (she has a day shift).

She's only 7 years younger and has 2 kids so she's no prize but she is about an 8.5 as are most of my girlfriends. I'm around that range myself.

So it looks like a date but two concerns:

1) Is she going to be contaminated from work?
2) Is she thinking of this as a date or a service?

What do you think?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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pdx1138

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#2 is a definite possibility.

however it goes, watch out for her sending texts that you should come to her work and hang out.
 

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We're going downtown for dinner. She didn't say anything about my paying which they normally pre-negotiate.

Should I just come right out and ask "is this a date or an escort?"
 

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Well the good thing is that you've already got your eyes open for potential trickery.

I'm expecting something bad. But hey, maybe you pulled yourself a stripper. Guess we'll find out.
 

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Thinking of calling her and laying it on the line but it's a super-awkward question and asking if I have to pay doesn't exactly sound confident. It's like the famous line: "Can I buy you a drink or do you just want the money?"
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Well I called her and she told me her real name, her real age (she's 6 years younger not 7), her favorite restaurant, where she lives and said she wants me to drive her home from work to change before dinner (she has no car). Said she can't wait to see me and that she hardly ever gets out. I didn't bother getting explicit about whether I have to pay her as I figure she would have told me at that point.

Now the question is, how comfortable will I be dating a glorified prostitute? It is a $600 value, and compared to my BPD oneitis ex (who I have long suspected is a former escort) it can't be much worse. And she's a virtual virgin compared to women who work at the Federal Reserve, CDC or FDA.
 

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bigneil said:
Now the question is, how comfortable will I be dating a glorified prostitute? It is a $600 value, and compared to my BPD oneitis ex (who I have long suspected is a former escort) it can't be much worse. And she's a virtual virgin compared to women who work at the Federal Reserve, CDC or FDA.
Strippers aren't always fvcked up, I've known a few that were normal girls just wanting to make easy money, so just go for it and have fun and see where it leads.
 

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Strippers are always up to something. One went out on dates with me in my early 20's always had some good excuse to get out of giving me what I wanted. Wasted a bunch of money for nothing when I was young and stupid. If you can manage to bang a stripper you are doing very well.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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JLay87 said:
Strippers aren't always fvcked up, I've known a few that were normal girls just wanting to make easy money, so just go for it and have fun and see where it leads.
QFT.
NOt all stripeprs are mentally ****ed up and have daddy isssues as your making it out to seem haha
If that is what she has actually been telling you on the phone, its pretty obvious she is not doing this as an escort. IF you straight up ask her, you will crash and burn. So no do not do it.. Just play it out like any other date.. take her someplace exciting and keep your value up. She seems really interested if she is initiating alot of the texting so it seems like the deal is already sealed.. just dont **** it up by asking her if you have to pay lol!!

ps. ive known a few strippers and as Jlay87 said, alot of them are just doing it to make extra money to get through college. I'm actually good friends with one and she is an amazing person. Really witty and funny, and not a skank at all.. and works the place like a champ. She's good at what she does so she does it.. not through college, not for anything. But just as a job.. think about it just as a job. Tell her its just another job and theres nothing wrong with being a stripper and she'll be putty in your hands ;)
 

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*Sighs* Gosh have mercy. I just hope the baby doesn't turn out to be a girl if you get her preggo with her third child. :D
 

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The_Crack said:
ps. ive known a few strippers and as Jlay87 said, alot of them are just doing it to make extra money to get through college. I'm actually good friends with one and she is an amazing person. Really witty and funny, and not a skank at all..
Try dating her or entering into an LTR with her and re-read what you wrote here.
 

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Just have a date and pretend its a normal situation, if she brings out the money topic just tell her that you got her wrong and take her back home.

In that case you both wasted time but at least you will stop mindfking your self and learn from that.

If everything goes smooth, have fun ;)
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Treat her like any other woman. bring your a game, establish alpha so she knows she cant run her game on you (sep urself from being a mark)
 

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As Matthew Fitzgerald wrote in Sexploytation: "The Prostitute is the more ethical counterpart to the American Woman" for she negotiates a fair deal.
 

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Someone Much cooler said:
if they dont respect you strippers are as cruel as any other woman.
They are much more cruel than the average chick. Prostitutes are the only ethical women.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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