"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Assuming first date and all, I pay, unless she offers. Now I may give subtle hints, to see what happens, but IMO you should pay for the first date, or at least offer and see what happens.

Usually i've found that after that, things get split. Or at least in previous relationships, we've both done our share and i've never had a problem with it. I dont think you need to over analyze something simple as who pays unless there is some kind of problem as to where she is only after dinner, money, etc etc. If I was to sense this, it would be a different story, and i'd play it by the person. What ever the case, what ever I have done, has never been a problem, and it works, so I stick to it.

Regardless if that post ever happened to someone (Ken785) that's a raw deal, and just :eek: I dont think I could do that.

That needs to be an episode of PUNKED
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Omen said:
Assuming first date and all, I pay, unless she offers. Now I may give subtle hints, to see what happens, but IMO you should pay for the first date, or at least offer and see what happens.

Usually i've found that after that, things get split. Or at least in previous relationships, we've both done our share and i've never had a problem with it. I dont think you need to over analyze something simple as who pays unless there is some kind of problem as to where she is only after dinner, money, etc etc. If I was to sense this, it would be a different story, and i'd play it by the person. What ever the case, what ever I have done, has never been a problem, and it works, so I stick to it.

Regardless if that post ever happened to someone (Ken785) that's a raw deal, and just :eek: I dont think I could do that.

That needs to be an episode of PUNKED
Alright, you explained how you typically handle things during a relationship but I missed exactly why you feel that you have to pay with someone you aren't involved. Earlier you said that the guy pays; why?
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Alright, you explained how you typically handle things during a relationship but I missed exactly why you feel that you have to pay with someone you aren't involved. Earlier you said that the guy pays; why?
Well if i'm not totally involved I wont pay for the whole thing. In fact, funny story...

I went out with a girl in early Sept. We went to the bookstore and sat in the area that actually is the place they make coffee and baked goods and all of that.

First time we met, and it was a mutual meet.

I didnt even mention anything about coffee or food, or ice cream next door. We chatted, I didnt get a good vibe from her (maybe cause she said she had no direction in life) and I didnt spend a DIME that whole time. I spent gas to get there which was only 1mile away, and she met ME there which took her 30min.

So in that case I didnt feel I needed to buy her anything. Maybe to some that sounds kind of raw, but I just knew it was going to end before it really got started and I was out nothing.

I had a blind date once a buddy set up and I paid for dinner cause HE set it up. If his wife would have set her friend up with me, I wouldn't have offered, and paid my own and let her pay her own.

Most the time i've just done the dinner date when i've been dating someone, and not just met them, so i've never really had someone I met, said...lets go out to eat and then done that. They've all been girlfriends first except the one blind date.
 

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Bible_Belt said:
I try to only take a girl places that I like to go, including restaurants. If I am having fun and doing what I like, then paying does not seem so AFC.
:yes:

The best part about this post is that earlier today I found the receipt from the most expensive dinner date I have ever been on (153 dollars).

Anyways, ancient DJ wisdom would dictate that dinner dates are cliche and tend to be boring, and I would agree as far as the first few dates. Maybe after that, you should bring the woman into your world and take her to a couple of the places where you actually enjoy eating.

And of course, on the first date, whoever made the invitation, which should have been you, pays. But it's cheap if you just go for a walk in the park. :D
 

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...I didnt even mention anything about coffee or food, or ice cream next door. We chatted, I didnt get a good vibe from her (maybe cause she said she had no direction in life) and I didnt spend a DIME that whole time. I spent gas to get there which was only 1mile away, and she met ME there which took her 30min.....
It's situations like this that shows it's the quality of the company that is more impressive than the venue (if you aren't talking to a serial dater). Still guy's go out of their way to find the perfect place to take a woman on a first date (covered by them of course :rolleyes:). It hasn't even bee determined if they will even see each other afterwards.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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