I'm going out in a bit...I tend to drink heavily before I go out. I say I do it to save money, as it's quite expensive to drink at bars in NYC on a Sat. night. But tonight as I sit here drinking alone, I feel a bit guilty. Like I'm starting to use alcohol as to much of a crutch. I can talk to girls in public while sober, but I am more brave while drunk. Just thought I'd throw this topic out there for discussion.
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Going out - Drinking Beforehand
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
It's true that alcohol gives you more courage but sometimes it gives you the courage to do stupid things like picking fights with bouncers twice your size.
Alcohol can be good if you can keep it to a pleasant buzz. You feel good and your inhibitions are slightly reduced but you're still thinking straight and you don't do stupid things.
I've seen some dudes totally screw things up with girls because they drank too much and became jack asses.
Alcohol can be good if you can keep it to a pleasant buzz. You feel good and your inhibitions are slightly reduced but you're still thinking straight and you don't do stupid things.
I've seen some dudes totally screw things up with girls because they drank too much and became jack asses.
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Honestly, it's okay to have a drink or two when you're at the club. It's normal social behavior.
Haha, I know exactly what you mean, being a recent college grad in this wonderfully terrible economy. I usually do have a drink or two before I head out. It's ridiculously expensive out here.
I mean, the most important thing is making sure you can "replicate" your personality on the day 2. There have been plenty of times where I get pretty drunk and it helps me pump up girls' buying temperature and on the next date they wonder where that guy went.
In the end, just make sure you're not getting drunk. Matador always tells me "From a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being sober, and 10 being totally drunk, I like to game at a 4", on the same token too, he does focus more heavily on same night lays and doesn't worry so much about the day 2.
If you're just starting out, I would recommend that you go out sober, it's tougher, but you'll be glad you did.
Haha, I know exactly what you mean, being a recent college grad in this wonderfully terrible economy. I usually do have a drink or two before I head out. It's ridiculously expensive out here.
I mean, the most important thing is making sure you can "replicate" your personality on the day 2. There have been plenty of times where I get pretty drunk and it helps me pump up girls' buying temperature and on the next date they wonder where that guy went.
In the end, just make sure you're not getting drunk. Matador always tells me "From a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being sober, and 10 being totally drunk, I like to game at a 4", on the same token too, he does focus more heavily on same night lays and doesn't worry so much about the day 2.
If you're just starting out, I would recommend that you go out sober, it's tougher, but you'll be glad you did.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
The more you go out sober, the more you'll improve.Kevin Feng said:I would recommend that you go out sober, it's tougher, but you'll be glad you did.
This is some advice im thinking of taking simply because i need to get comfortable being sober in a bar environment. I.E. Two weekends ago me and 2 friends went to a bar that was completely packed and i felt overwhelmed as soon as we entered even tho i knew like 15-20 of the ppl there. It took about 4 crown and cokes to get that "liquid" confidence/relaxation.Captain said:The more you go out sober, the more you'll improve.
Getting into that vibe that i get into after a few drinks, without actually drinking would be beneficial.