I'm going out in a bit...I tend to drink heavily before I go out. I say I do it to save money, as it's quite expensive to drink at bars in NYC on a Sat. night. But tonight as I sit here drinking alone, I feel a bit guilty. Like I'm starting to use alcohol as to much of a crutch. I can talk to girls in public while sober, but I am more brave while drunk. Just thought I'd throw this topic out there for discussion.
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Going out - Drinking Beforehand
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
It's true that alcohol gives you more courage but sometimes it gives you the courage to do stupid things like picking fights with bouncers twice your size.
Alcohol can be good if you can keep it to a pleasant buzz. You feel good and your inhibitions are slightly reduced but you're still thinking straight and you don't do stupid things.
I've seen some dudes totally screw things up with girls because they drank too much and became jack asses.
Alcohol can be good if you can keep it to a pleasant buzz. You feel good and your inhibitions are slightly reduced but you're still thinking straight and you don't do stupid things.
I've seen some dudes totally screw things up with girls because they drank too much and became jack asses.
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Honestly, it's okay to have a drink or two when you're at the club. It's normal social behavior.
Haha, I know exactly what you mean, being a recent college grad in this wonderfully terrible economy. I usually do have a drink or two before I head out. It's ridiculously expensive out here.
I mean, the most important thing is making sure you can "replicate" your personality on the day 2. There have been plenty of times where I get pretty drunk and it helps me pump up girls' buying temperature and on the next date they wonder where that guy went.
In the end, just make sure you're not getting drunk. Matador always tells me "From a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being sober, and 10 being totally drunk, I like to game at a 4", on the same token too, he does focus more heavily on same night lays and doesn't worry so much about the day 2.
If you're just starting out, I would recommend that you go out sober, it's tougher, but you'll be glad you did.
Haha, I know exactly what you mean, being a recent college grad in this wonderfully terrible economy. I usually do have a drink or two before I head out. It's ridiculously expensive out here.
I mean, the most important thing is making sure you can "replicate" your personality on the day 2. There have been plenty of times where I get pretty drunk and it helps me pump up girls' buying temperature and on the next date they wonder where that guy went.
In the end, just make sure you're not getting drunk. Matador always tells me "From a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being sober, and 10 being totally drunk, I like to game at a 4", on the same token too, he does focus more heavily on same night lays and doesn't worry so much about the day 2.
If you're just starting out, I would recommend that you go out sober, it's tougher, but you'll be glad you did.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
The more you go out sober, the more you'll improve.Kevin Feng said:I would recommend that you go out sober, it's tougher, but you'll be glad you did.
This is some advice im thinking of taking simply because i need to get comfortable being sober in a bar environment. I.E. Two weekends ago me and 2 friends went to a bar that was completely packed and i felt overwhelmed as soon as we entered even tho i knew like 15-20 of the ppl there. It took about 4 crown and cokes to get that "liquid" confidence/relaxation.Captain said:The more you go out sober, the more you'll improve.
Getting into that vibe that i get into after a few drinks, without actually drinking would be beneficial.