GodsGiftToFatBirds Bootcamp Diary

[Bonhomme]

Got the right idea

Bummer the one bird didn't work out, but you have lots of irons in the fire, so I expect she'll be displaced soon enough.

You've got the right idea about not bothering to close for the sake of bootcamp tallies alone. You're way beyond the level where one would have to do that.

As for the "difficult" approaches, there's no need to force anything. In fact, it's not good to. Just go with the flow of things. Usually if a bird is attracted enough to you, she'll give you the opportunity to meet her. If you get a good signal from a gal in a group, it's usually best to be friendly to the whole group, and get sort of "in" with them.

 

[GodsGiftToFatBirds]

Update!

Yo!
I haven't posted for a while, simply because my computers been fvcked and i've only just got it fixed.
Thought i'd put the post up cos it looks like i just left with no explanation or anything, and to let everyone know whats been happening DJ-wise since i last posted.
I've actually stopped doing the bootcamp, felt i was at the stage where i could motivate myself to go for what i wanted without the incentive of meeting a target. I also reckon week 5 is where it starts getting a bit tricky in the UK: i reckon going on dates with 10 women in 2 weeks is pretty impossible in the UK, where a date is considered a much bigger deal than it is in the US.
Also i went on a date with this girl a couple of weeks ago and have been seeing her since then, so not really been looking to go for other girls. But in terms of that relationship, i've realised shes not really what i want, so I'm finishing it when i see her tomorrow, then getting myself back in the field.
Going to be starting from scratch though cos i've not been going round collecting the numbers like i was when i was doing bootcamp, and so i've got no other real options at the moment. But i'm determined to get back out there and start raking in the numbers again, give myself the chance to get with someone new.
By the way, thanks to the guys who lent their support while i was going through Bootcamp: Bonhomme and Englishman were particularly helpful. When i've got a little more time, i'm planning to write a post of all the things i feel i've learnt through doing bootcamp, which i reckon could help other guys going through bootcamp.
Keep an eye out for it!
GodsGiftToFatBirds

 

[Bonhomme]

Well, alright, GGFB

I was wondering what was up, but figured that you had, in effect, graduated from bootcamp, since you've become better at picking up birds than I am, in fact. The student surpasses the teacher. Bloody well done, I must say!

From observing your bootcamp experience, it became clear that the latter stages of bootcamp are a bit unrealistic and in fact, can develop some bad habits in the aspiring Don Juan. If I had enough time, I'd brainstorm with some other guys to improve the program, so to speak. At some point quality becomes much, much more important than quantity.

Cheers mate, and if I was in the UK, I'd buy you a pint.

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Update on my situation: I've been seeing a very interesting and bright, but hella busy (though she does make time to get together with me) bird, who's quite a bit younger than me and looks even younger than she is, but is not put off by that. In fact, she's right impressed at how well I've held up to Father Time, and had originally thought I was about her age.

We haven't done anything beyond lots of caressing and very passionate making out, but then some gals take things more slowly with guys they've marked as real long-term prospects, so I think it'll be all or nothing with her. Don't know where it's going, but I've been enjoying it.

 

[englishman]

yep, sounds like youve got it sorted mate, also I think it is a different thing dating over here, some people just become proffesional daters, kinda like window shoppers......at times it seems like an extention of greed / over consuming that seems to prevail in n america..... (having said that id rather live here than u.k. so? )
best of luck....

 

[GodsGiftToFatBirds]

Well, its been fvcking ages since I've posted on this thread, but I'm coming back to it now because I'm repeating the bootcamp!

Not one particular reason for this but basically I was browsing through this thread earlier today and reading all my old posts took me back to what it was like going through the bootcamp the first time round - for those few weeks, I had a massive enthusiasm for improving myself and getting good with women, and this gave me a great feel good factor - the challenge of the bootcamp was a real buzz for those few weeks.

And while I have still been getting some women recently, that enthusiasm hasn't been there to really get the results I want. I've kinda being drifting along a bit too much and not really taking the initiative enough to meet and attract the kind of girls I'm looking for. My goal at the mo is to find a gf as great as my last one (who I met through bootcamp, lol), tho I'm certainly not looking to rush it, it has to be the right girl.

So, starting tomorrow, I'm going through the first 4 weeks of bootcamp again. Having done it before, I don't reckon a full 7 days will be needed for each week, so I'm aiming to complete each one in 4 days.
Roll on tomorrow, I'm excited already!!

 

[englishman]

Welcome back ggtfb

 

[GodsGiftToFatBirds]

Hey cheers mate, good to see you're still about on the board.

Brief update for day 1: went out a couple of times for about half an hour each time, got 12 greetings done in total. They're not really any problem to be honest, they certainly didn't seem anything like as nerve racking as the first time i did it. Tho that could be because i was round my neighbourhood this time, which is a fairly quiet area, and its not unusual to say a friendly 'hello' to someone you pass. Whereas the first time i did bootcamp, i was on my uni campus, where people who don't know each other just tend to walk past each other with heads down.
I passed a couple of nice looking girls included in my 12, one gave me a huge smile back and was like 'hey how are you doing?' - I think she assumed she knew me from somewhere but i probably should have stopped to try chat her up anyway.

I also missed an opportunity this evening when i was out clubbing - I pulled this bird and she was all over me, rubbing my c0ck through my jeans and all, I really should have made more of an effort to get her home with me. She asked for my number and has been texting me since I been home, but it was one of those ones where I reckon you really need to strike while the iron's hot.

Anyway, I'll post again tomorrow, there's other stuff I would write about, but its quite late and I can't be arsed right now.

 

[englishman]

Alright mate.....If shes rubbing your **** and then texting ya...I reckon the irons still hot...red hot...lol....souinds pretty good for a day one..

 

[GodsGiftToFatBirds]

Alright, day 2 update: went out and got another 10 done, 22 so far now. Again not too much of a prob but i made it tougher for myself by doing some in the city centre - it seems more awkward as its not somewhere where strangers would say hello to each other, i think quite a lot assume they must know you from somewhere. There weren't too many HBs about, though to be honest, other blokes can be a bit more challenging anyway. Anyway, whatever, week1 isn't gonna be a problem for me, its basically just a case of taking the time to go out and do them. Though it is still beneficial in that it makes you feel a bit more sociable, this is useful for the later weeks.

Anyway, not to do with bootcamp, but I read that article 'Before the approach' (that you get when you enter the site) the other day and it got me thinking about the kind of girl I want. Made me realise that I've been taking the wrong approach to meeting women over the last month or 2. I've been working in a nightclub and basically just going with the flow and seeing what women I can meet like that. But the results been that the kind of girl I've been meeting are just self centered attention wh0res and club rats (the kind of girl who's out clubbing like 4 or 5 nights a week).
And while i don't mind pulling or fvcking that sort of bird when I'm out drinking (ie last night - oh yeh, Englishman, i reckon the phrase 'strike while the irons hot' definately did apply last night - think her and all her mates were pretty pissed, and I needed to take advantage on the night if I was gonna get some), they don't
make the sort of gf that I'm looking for. In a gf, I want a girl who's not a prude or anything, but has a bit of dignity, and has a life besides going out getting pissed (which tbh, a lot of girls don't). Going to the gym or doing some sort of sport would make me more interested too, and someone who's not b!tchy at all, someone who's friendly and interesting to talk to.
It amazes me now that I'd never really thought bout what exactly I wanted in a girl. I had a free haircut yesterday (like acting as a model for the trainee stylists in this salon), the girl who cut my hair was really nice, basically fitted all my criteria, i should have asked her out but she was constantly supervised by this bloke who was obviously teaching them. I felt too awkward to make the move with him there but that shouldn't have stopped me really, guess thats rust that'll wear off as i get going again.

Anyway, went off on bit of a tangent there, but anyway, bootcamp score is 22 greetings in 2 days.
More tomorrow!

 

[GodsGiftToFatBirds]

Just to very briefly update, had a very busy day today with basically no free time to go out and get any tallies. So I won't count today in my week, tomorrow will be day 3.

 

[nishbuk]

Now this is inspiration...GGTFB, perhaps you could help me out a bit. What kind of things do you say to girls at the gym, or on the street as openers?
How about during class?
I was doing awesome with cold approaches back in Atlanta, but I came back to Montreal, and now I'm freezing...

 

[GodsGiftToFatBirds]

Now this is inspiration...GGTFB, perhaps you could help me out a bit. What kind of things do you say to girls at the gym, or on the street as openers?
How about during class?
I was doing awesome with cold approaches back in Atlanta, but I came back to Montreal, and now I'm freezing...

I guess you're talking about this thread as a whole, rather than my current attempt at the bootcamp, i wouldn't say what i've done so far this time is anything inspirational.
It should be easy to open girls at the gym or in class because you've automatically got something in common to talk about. An approach in the street is very different tho because you really are approaching cold, i wouldn't say i'm the best person to ask as its not my usual pickup method tho there are a few different ones I have used in the street - have a search for a thread of mine called 'Sarging in Manchester' - btw can someone tell me how to do a link please!
Out of interest, why do you find it so much harder picking up in Montreal compared to Atlanta?

In terms of my bootcamp, week 1 is now complete! Yesterday was the same as the day before in that I was busy all day and din't have time to go out and get my greetings but I didn't want week 1 to drag on for too long, so i made up my mind to get the remaining 28 done today. I went into the town centre and managed this ok, did a few extra for good measure on the way home, so done 58 now in total.
Tomorrow, i'll get started on week 2, again giving myself 4 days to complete it. I'm also going to repeat week 1 at the same time (i.e. 50 greetings and 10 conversations) cos it helps me to stay positive and focused.

 

[nishbuk]

Originally posted by GodsGiftToFatBirds
I guess you're talking about this thread as a whole, rather than my current attempt at the bootcamp, i wouldn't say what i've done so far this time is anything inspirational.
It should be easy to open girls at the gym or in class because you've automatically got something in common to talk about. An approach in the street is very different tho because you really are approaching cold, i wouldn't say i'm the best person to ask as its not my usual pickup method tho there are a few different ones I have used in the street - have a search for a thread of mine called 'Sarging in Manchester' - btw can someone tell me how to do a link please!
Out of interest, why do you find it so much harder picking up in Montreal compared to Atlanta?

In terms of my bootcamp, week 1 is now complete! Yesterday was the same as the day before in that I was busy all day and din't have time to go out and get my greetings but I didn't want week 1 to drag on for too long, so i made up my mind to get the remaining 28 done today. I went into the town centre and managed this ok, did a few extra for good measure on the way home, so done 58 now in total.
Tomorrow, i'll get started on week 2, again giving myself 4 days to complete it. I'm also going to repeat week 1 at the same time (i.e. 50 greetings and 10 conversations) cos it helps me to stay positive and focused.

Hey thanks for the tips. I'll look into that thread.
As for MTL vs ATL, the only reason MTL is harder for me right now is because of well...ME. So many familiar sites from my LTR, and also the scenery seems to take me back to when I was a WBAFC. So for the first few days it was ME that was the failure, nothing about the city in particular.
Actually, usually I find Montreal to be easier to sarge than Atlanta. This is due to increased tolerance of diversity, along with higher numbers of diverse people (I'm Indian). Also, since Montreal is cheaper, and everyone seems to have less to prove, not as stuck up, I find it easier.

 

[englishman]

Where the fvck do you fing boot camp? Im thinking of doing it...

 

[nishbuk]

Originally posted by englishman
Where the fvck do you fing boot camp? Im thinking of doing it...

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[GodsGiftToFatBirds]

Alright, to update briefly, I've been very busy the last couple days, meaning that after 2 days of week 2, i've got only 4 greetings and 1 convo - girl who was in the club i work in tonight. I'd usually be able to get much more than this at work but i was being rushed off my feet really with too many things to do and not enough time to do them in!
Week 2's significantly harder than the last time i did it cos i was at university then and my normal daily routine would provide plenty of opportunities to chat to strangers. But i will complete it, I'm off on holiday to Center Parks tomorrow morning til Thursday so that should provide lots more opportunities. I dunno if there's Internet on site but if I'm not able to put up a brief daily update on my progress, I'll make a note myself and then update the thread when I'm home Thursday evening.