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out of interest, what kind of chat are you giving these girls? ****y and funy or what? you seem to be doing alright whatever your doing.

maybe theyre glad soemone is finally speaking to them! is it really that easy?
 

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I say you're beyond that point, and getting rejections for their own sake will only hinder your game at theis point. Kinda like placing out of a beginner's course into the intermediate course.
Yeh, I agree there's no point me going for rejections rather than successes. I'm not quite sure about the logic behind week 4 - I reckon a goal of 15 or 20 number attempts (i.e. either success or failure when asking for the number) would make more sense than the current goal of 10 rejections. Surely going for the number means you're getting over the fear of rejection, since you risk rejection every time you go for a number.
This issue has cropped up again for me tonight (I'm just in from work again- see further down my post)

out of interest, what kind of chat are you giving these girls? ****y and funy or what? you seem to be doing alright whatever your doing.
maybe theyre glad soemone is finally speaking to them! is it really that easy?
Thats a tricky question to answer. I think the key as much as anything is guaging IL as much as what i say - as Bonhomme's pointed out a few times on this thread, if a girl's IL is high enough, it doesn't matter too much what you say.
My current situation is different to most guys doing bootcamp is that i'm doing most my week 4 approaches while doing my temporary job, glass collecting in a nightclub. So I'm constantly asking customers which drinks they've finished with, i can get a decent idea of a girl's IL by their response to this simple question - if they're responsive and give me a smile or try to chat or whatever, this is my green light to try to chat them up properly. Obviously, this situation is different to most guys, and indeed mine when i'm at uni and not working in the club, but i reckon the principle of picking the girls with the high IL still applies. I do use ****y/funny but not that much, only convo techniques i can think of is that i take an interest in the girl and what she talks about but at the same time, not just be a sounding board and to have some opinions of my own. Having said that, wouldn't say i'm any more than average at conversation, though i reckon i've got a fairly good personality naturally.
Out of interest mate, you had any thoughts on the reccommendation i put on a thread of yours to have a crack at bootcamp yourself?

Cheers for the link, englishman.

Ok bootcamp today, day 3, been working in the club again tonight. For the first time really tonight, i was really determined not to let anything (fear, nerves, hesitation, whatever) get in the way, and i got reasonable results. Early on, got talking this group of 4 girls sitting on the sofas, none of them were bad looking, though one definately stood out, she was hot (definate HB9, and exactly the sort of look i go for), chatted to all 4 though, all seemed interested in me and what i had to say and i reckon i made agood impression on them. I wanted the really hot one though and made sure i approached her later on when i saw her waiting at the bar by herself, i was like 'Alright how you doing',........ (normal chat)....., then i was like 'listen, you mind if i ask you a question?', she was like 'sure', i was like 'are you a single lady or a taken lady?', she was like 'Aw sorry honey, I'm a taken lady!', i was like 'ok, no prob'.
Counting that as a rejection, bootcamp talks about rejections when you as for the number, think that one was fair enough though, it was obvious i was cracking onto her.
So one rejection.

Later on was putting glasses away behind the bar, caught the eye of this bird (HB7.5-8) over the other side of the bar, i looked away, looked back, she still had my eye so i gave her a big smile and a wink, then turned away to go do something else. She actually then came and approached me, i was like 'I saw you eyeing me up from over there', she was like 'oh aye, it was just me, was it?!', fairly normal convo followed but with lot of kino both ways, i number closed her successfully after a couple of minutes, she was quite into me, she was like 'make sure you text us, won't you'

Then later on, approached this bird (HB8.5, blonde hair, dcent face, lovely body) dancing with her friend round the edge of the dance floor. She was fit and i'd spoken to her briefly before collecting glasses from their table and she'd seemed friendly then so i thought why not have a crack. Couldn't think of any good opening line, was just 'hiya, how you doing?' and just normal convo with good kino from there. Soon as i started talking to her, her mate was like 'be back in a sec, just popping to the toilet', thought this was a good sign. Again number closed successfully, though not sure i had quite the same sky high IL i had from the girl before.
In any case, i'm away back to uni in a couple of days, so the numbers aren't an awful lot of use, good practise getting them though.

So summary for day 3: 1 rejection and 2 numbers.
Thats 1 rejection and 3 numbers now for the week after 3 days.
Going to be tough to get 10 rejections this week, may extend the week if i don't manage it (notice Walden did this in his bootcamp, which is regarded as a great example of a bootcamp), or possible modify the goal of the week for me personally, as i mentioned at the top of this post, maybe 15 number attempts. Any thoughts on this?
 

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Out of interest mate, you had any thoughts on the reccommendation i put on a thread of yours to have a crack at bootcamp yourself?

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been thinking about it mate, but to be honest, doing a plan seems kinda cheesy to me, plus, i think its very geared towards the US.

Plus, I dont think i am a complete AFC, I spoke to quite a lot of girls New years eve, and was pretty much in control of the conversations. However, i do think i need to improve my confidence in general, and think there are elements of the bootcamp i can definatly pick up on, basically when i am back at uni i am just going to try and be more outgoing,i live in a massive halls of residence, so there should be ample opportunity to get some chat going with randoms, will amke the effort to do that.

I actually can't wait to get back to my student union and try out a bit of this stuff.
 

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Exactly

I reckon a goal of 15 or 20 number attempts (i.e. either success or failure when asking for the number) would make more sense than the current goal of 10 rejections.
Those are the exact words I was fishing for, but couldn't make it to my typing finger. Much more on point.

Yeah, I say go for the 15 number attempts in lieu of the 10 rejections. At the rate you're going, you'll probably get 10 #s out of it. No point forcing bad habits to meet a bloody bootcamp requirement.

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Greetings from Detroit, NQT. The modified bootcamp (replacing the 4th week goal of 10 rejections with 15 of the sum of numbers or emails and rejections) would be good to help you get out of your shell a bit.

This thread is a good one to read from start to finish, as GGFB's experiences have been illustrating the concepts behind the bootcamp exercises very well.

I'm more into developing one's presence, eliciting signals, and learning to use personal space and tantalizing touch to get gals worked up when you meet them.

The presence/eye contact/signalling stuff makes approaching a piece of cake. What's the worry about rejection if you know your approach is desired, and all you gotta do is say "hi' and make any kind of conversation that's not out-and-out dorky or fawning to be able to start working the vibe?

Bootcamp is great for getting your eye contact working. I've been doing it constantly in a less formal sense for a while, and the results are great. Gals can warm up to me really fast.
 

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Yeh mate, I've made my mind up, 15 number attempts rather than 10 rejections is my new week 4 target, once I've got them i'll move onto week 5.
Unfortunately, still on 4 though, spent the day at home before going to work, work was a real non-starter tonight in terms of bootcamp, as i had to work on the cloakroom rather than glass collecting, and as i was pretty busy with a constant queue of people waiting to be served, my chances to chat any birds up were pretty much non-existant. Bit gutted cos i was psyched up to go get some more tallies. Had couple of brief convos when it was a bit quieter but both with unattractive girls. Even for bootcamp purposes, i didn't want to even consider making myself go for their numbers, i'd have felt like such a loser, they'd have probably thought 'what the fvcks wrong with you, you're a decent looking bloke'!
So tally is 4 down, 11 to go.
 

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Ok, not much doing in terms of bootcamp today, travelled back to uni this evening, had been at home packing all day before, and by time i got here, was too late to go out and was pretty knackered anyway. So, like yesterday, had no opportunity really to get any bootcamp done, some days are just like that i suppose. I find posting daily though, even with nothing to report, helps keep me motivated for bootcamp.
I did text all 3 girls who i got numbers off while working in the club over the weekend, just general 'hey how you doing?' texts, only one replied though, the first girl i got a number off on Sunday (day 3). She was like 'hey love, i'm working tonight, what about you, when you back at uni?', i texted back saying 'back this evening actually, prob should have said the other night really but would you fancy meeting up when i'm home for a weekend sometime?', she was like 'yeh that sounds good, just keep in touch and let us know when you're home'.
So that sounds promising, will make sure i call her when i'm home, probably in about 3 weeks.
Reckon the ratio of 1 in 3 replies shows the importance of getting a few numbers and keeping your options open. Has happened to me a few times in the past when i've pulled a bird when i've been out, got her number, texted a couple of days later and been fed up at getting no response. Whereas if you give yourself a few options, it doesn't bother you if one bird isn't interested cos one of your alternative options is.
Anyway, more bootcamp stuff tomorrow hopefully, might have to extend the week with only being on 4 at the moment.
 

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Fvcking Hell!
No bootcamp results to post again today, today was a day of certain mental things stopping me from getting the approaches/ numbers i maybe could have. I'll explain:
Today was my first day back at uni after xmas, felt a bit weird to be out DJing in a different environment, having been DJing just in shops and the nightclub for the few weeks i was home over xmas - think its possible to get good at approaches in certain situations but not be able to transfer that ability to other situations.
First approach/convo was in my only lecture of the day, sat myself down next to this bird (HB7, but i sort of wasn't attracted to, if you know what i mean) at the back, started a convo about the course, then moved onto more general stuff, convo went on for about 5 mins probably, till the lecturer turned up, was ok convo but she was very much not my type of girl - she was the shy studious geeky type (fvck, the lecture was at 12, she'd been up since 8 doing work, i'd dragged myself out of bed at about quarter past 11!), and i couldn't make myself go for a girl i wasn't at all attracted to. I wonder if anyone else doing bootcamp week 4 number closes they aren't interested in at all. Will have a look through a couple after i've posted this.
Second approach/convo was when i was walking back to my halls, had to wait to cross the road at the traffic lights on the way, there was a girl waiting too (HB7-7.5, was more attracted to her though), had a reasonable convo as we walked the same direction for like a minute before we were going separate ways. In spite of what people have said about it being ok in bootcamp to number close unnaturally early, i couldn't make myself do it, it would have felt so weird.
So, compared to say 3-4 weeks ago, i've improved in that i can now number close, now the task is to teach myself to number close in more difficult situations.
I had other opportunities during the day to approach birds which i should have taken but didn't. One was in the uni coffee shop, saw 2 girls both decent looking at a table, 1 was sort of half eyeing me up, couldn't find it in me to go over though. Other was when i went to the uni bar with a mate in the evening for a game of darts and pool. Were a few groups of like 3-4 birds, didn't feel confident enough to approach. My mate doesn't really look to approach birds like that, but if i'm ever like 'lets try chatting up those birds over there', he's always like 'aye come on then'. I find approaching fine in a club when i'm working cos i've got a reason to approach, or if i'm out cos i've had a few drinks, but approaching a group of girls when sober in a bar, i didn't have much idea how to go about it.
So in summary, i've discovered today that i've got a few situational difficulties with approaching and closing - maybe someone's got some suggestions to help me with these:
1st # close problem: making myself number close a girl i'm not interested in (obviously just for bootcamp)
2nd # close problem: forcing myself to number close unnaturally early
1st approach problem: 2 girls in coffee shop, couldn't think of anything to say/do
2nd approach problem: same with group of girls in bar

Guess these are all partly a matter of motivation, but any suggestions or anything would be welcome!
 

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ive been reading a lot of asf material recently and the main philosophy presented (from what ive seen so far) is to use openers to transition into your normal game.

i think this would help you a lot when approaching groups of girls. check out this for some opinion openers

http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/read?189484,8

i've tried talking to groups of girls just by saying "hi" or "hows it going". i dont know if my BL is weak, but if i have no canned material ready, i'll get a stare that says "ok did you want something?". so if anyone has any convo tips to open groups, do share

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GGFB-

Good thread. Although in one post you mentioned you didn't get a girls number because you told her you needed to go get your phone, which leads me to believe you are putting the number into your phone as she dictates to you.

Always carry around a pen and a slip of paper. Then you can bust it out and make her write it down.


Bonhomme- how old are you? I go to college in Michigan(not in Detroit though)
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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i think this would help you a lot when approaching groups of girls. check out this for some opinion openers
http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/read?189484,8
I tried this link- it took to me the fastseduction site, but how do you actually find the stuff on opinion openers that you mentioned?

Good thread. Although in one post you mentioned you didn't get a girls number because you told her you needed to go get your phone, which leads me to believe you are putting the number into your phone as she dictates to you.
Always carry around a pen and a slip of paper. Then you can bust it out and make her write it down.
Yeh I do put the numbers I get in my phone. Maybe I'm missing something here but why's writing down the number any different to putting it in your phone?

I've got myself stuck in a bit of a rut with this week to be honest and i'm struggling to get out of it. Finding it hard making the transition from number closing in a nightclub to number closing girls i talk to in everyday situations around campus. It feels that much harder simply cos its much more unusual. I passed up on a gift of an opportunity this evening - was studying in a computer room at uni, there was one other girl in the room (HB8 with very good personality) who i got talking to. Talked for a few minutes and got on very well, she had a nice personality. I was first to leave the room, she asked me my name before i left, told me hers, then she was like 'I probably won't see you again' (fvck how obvious could she have been!!), I was just like 'oh i'm sure i'll see you around campus sometime, good luck with your work anyway, see you later'. With hindsight, why didn't i just respond 'why, do you want to?' or 'you'll have to give me your number so you can'. That was a hell of a missed opportunity.

Anyway, i reckon i can still complete the week if i give myself a bit fo an extension. I was reading Walden's bootcamp and noticed that he actually did the same as me in that he counted successful number closes towards his tally, and managed 10 of these in 16 days. So I reckon if i can get 15 in the same time, i'll be well happy.
I had a search for other peoples' bootcamps too cos i wanted to read some other peoples' week 4 - i couldn't find any more though who'd actually completed week 4 - can anyone name any threads i should have a look for?

By the way, if anyone wants to send me a load of abuse calling me a fvcking wusse or anything for having nothing to report in 3 or 4 successive posts, please do so, cos it'll psyche me right up to do better tomorrow!!!
 

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Yeh I do put the numbers I get in my phone. Maybe I'm missing something here but why's writing down the number any different to putting it in your phone?
Nothing, unless you lose your phone. Then you're up sh1t creek. Always make a hard copy. Too many friends have lost their phone, and with it their phone book. I have no sympathy (evil grin).

Here's the abuse you requested, but not reagrding your bootcamp stats, more on point: GET THE BLOODY PHONE #!

All right then. That gal did hand it to you on a silver platter. But you're doing better as time goes on. Trust that we'll continue to heap tons of sh1t on you until the bad habit is vanquished.

My age, AverageFC? I'm ageless and timeless. Look young enough to pull college birds, whatever the case. :D
 

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Yeh thats true i suppose, i keep a filofax with numbers in it too but i only get round to updating it every few months. I've never actually lost my phone, will update it tomorrow anyway just in case.
Ok, day 8, fairly interesting day, in spite of my low bootcamp scores, i'm feeling quite confident and naturally chatting to so many people that i'd never have bothered to before bootcamp - I reckon if i'd counted my week 2 score (convos with strangers) for the past week, it would literally be like 40 or 50.
Best convo i had today was with this Indian girl (HB8) on the bus, was sat on back row, she came and sat on far side, i initiated convo with simple 'where abouts you heading to?' (the uni, same as me as it happens) and then kept up a very good convo for the full 20 minute journey, and thought i had very good IL. We got off at same point, as we got off she asked me my name, i did same, then i was like 'take your number?' as i got my phone out. We both started talking at the same time though, and i'm not sure she heard/ understand what i'd said (was having to speak slowly and clearly anyway with her being foreign), and as she was 20 minutes late for something, she was like 'I have to go, I'll see you around', and as she was obviously in a rush then, i didn't make myself try again, even though i don't think she understood the 1st time.
Not 100% sure if i should count this, doesn't quite seem fair since i didn't actually get a yes or no, but since i did actually ask, and i'm needing a boost to get myself out the rut, i'm counting it as 1 tally, making that 5 now.
Went out for a drink with 4 friends in the evening, was annoyed with myself for missing an opportunity - were 4 birds on the table football game near where we were sitting, quite fit, were obvious targets, my mates were urging me to have a crack (out the ones i was with, none are really the kind who'd really try and chat up girls in bars - 2 get some girlfriends through friends/ social groups, other 2 really are AFC), i knew i should but something held me back, in the meantime, some other guy approached them and got chatting and laughing with them, i was pissed off with myself cos i knew i shouldn't have let myself be out-dj'ed like that - gonna make sure i remember this incident in the future.
Later on, 3 of my friends went onto this club, i went to another bar with my other friend, got chatting to 2 birds at the bar, i got served first so as i left them, i was like 'if you wanna come join us, me and my mate are just sitting round the corner over there', they were like 'oh thanks yeh we might do' and i went and sat back with my mate. Couple minutes later, i saw the 2 girls sneak a look round the corner where i'd said we were (obviously checking out who as i was with before coming over), then head quickly off in the other direction! Had a bit of a laugh at my mate's expense at that one, especially since he really fancies himself!
Anyway, more bootcamp to come, most likely won't post tomorrow night cos will be heading out but check the thread in a couple of days.
 

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I did say i wouldn't be posting yesterday.

Most of this post has nothing to do with bootcamp btw, don't read if you don't want to.
Last night was fairly interesting, went out to this school disco night at my uni, where everyone gets dressed up in school uniform, its a cracking night, probably my favourite one out all the university ones, all the birds look fvcking hot in school uniform.
Anyway, pulled these 3 different birds, 1st one was this bird i pulled a few weeks back and beat myself up about for not shagging when i had the chance (Day 1 Week 3 for reference - its good to be able to look back on these things). Anyway, she came up to me on the dance floor, gave me this big grin, then just put her arms round my waist and started snogging (without saying anything to each other!). It soon got pretty heavy - she was all over me, hands everywhere and she aws grinding her ass against my co*k so hard it felt like i was fvcking her from behind, while i had my hands inside her top and bra, feeling her tits. She had lovely tits, big and bouncy and a great body all round (this isn't meant to be a porno story by the way). I was dying to get her back to my room and fvck her in about 10 different ways. She was an awesome mover and would have been a fantastic shag. Then teh weirdest thing happened. During a brief pause when i wasn't snogging her, her mate came up, grabbed her hand and without any explanation, they ran off (into the toilets i think)! I was like WTF, and hung around the same area for about 5 minutes or so (my mate had disappeared off somewhere), see if she'd come back - i'd just seen potentially the best shag of my life disappear right before my eyes. After a few minutes, i just thought, 'Right some dirty bird whos just run away from me int gonna spoil the rest of the night' and went off to find my mate. I couldn't stop trying to fathom out what it was all about though. Maybe cos the last time, i'd cut the session short and she wanted to give me a taste of my own medicine, i did actually give an explanation when i left her the time before though. Just a weird random thing. Any ideas what thats all about? I wasn't drunk or anything either, i only had like 3 drinks all night cos i was playing football today and didn't want a hangover.
Anyway, later on, i pulled this other bird, Asian as well, really fit, i thought she was nice looking when i first saw her inside, then i saw her outside at the end walking home with her mates, i was like 'fvck shes hot'. Got her with my favourite dance floor technique - caught her eye, started doing a daft dance, she started laughing, i went over, was like 'hey how you doing' started convo, she had this bead necklace thing on with sweets on it, she was like 'would you like one?', i couldnt bite one off though, she did it for me, then passed it mouth to mouth, thats how we started kissing, Were kissisng for a few minutes, then she was like 'i need to get back to my mates', i was like 'ok have a good night ill see you in a bit'. Wasn't that bothered cos i ciould tell i was getting no more than a snog off her.
Finally, pulled this other bird during the last song, she wasn't incredibly fit or anything (6.5-7) but a really good mover, i love girls like that, you know you can have a good grind with them, some birds are so shy, especially at my uni. Anyway, approached her from behind, no EC or nothing, not what i usually do, just felt confident, put my hands on her shoulders, ran them down her body to her waist, then spun her round to face me, she was well into me, had a good snog and a grind and a feel of her tits. Got her number when the lights went up, count that as 1 towards bootcamp since i was pretty much sober by the end of the night.


Thats 6 for 10 days now anyway. Wasn't in any situiation to get numbers today really, slept in late, had football in afternoon, then spent 2-3 hours doing uni work.
 

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Originally posted by GodsGiftToFatBirds
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In any case, i'm away back to uni in a couple of days, so the numbers aren't an awful lot of use, good practise getting them though.

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If you got the numbers you got to call em....Im not sure if it says it in boot camp anywhere...but i rekon its afc otherwise...kinda like kidding yourself...you can always call em up tell em your off to uni in a couple a days then either meet em when your home next time, seduce em over email or better still meet em and bag em the very next night.... not bragging or anything but remember previous email where i said id meet chick 6 weeks after getting her number....these were worth it...8.0 and 8.5 i think you said..best of luck mate...
PS, sounds like your having a lot more action down the pub/club than you were at the start..
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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If you got the numbers you got to call em....Im not sure if it says it in boot camp anywhere...but i rekon its afc otherwise...kinda like kidding yourself...you can always call em up tell em your off to uni in a couple a days then either meet em when your home next time, seduce em over email or better still meet em and bag em the very next night
Yeh i texted all 3 girls in the end who i got numbers off in the club, only 1 replied (one of the HB8's), and she said to give her a call when i'm next home from uni and we'll meet up.

Bootcamp for the past 2 days: didn't get any done yesterday, went out in the evening but felt really tired, not my normal self at all, did a couple half hearted approaches but wasn't into it that much. To be honest, tiredness has caught up with me a bit last 2 or 3 days, not found it easy to adjust my body clock back to normal having being working night shifts back home, and been getting by on about 6 hours sleep a night.
Today, still not at my best, managed to get 1 tally though, went into my university bookstore, sat myself down with a book, this HB8 (blonde hair, nice body, ok face) came and sat in the chair next to me, so starting a convo was pretty easy. Turned out she was German, spoke very good English though, had a good convo for about 10 minutes and detected decent IL from her - smiling a lot, asking me a lot of questions. Walked to her lecture with her, made out i was going that way anyway, asked her for her number before she went in, she was like 'oh sorry, i don't have a phone', would have pressed further if i'd been really keen on her but really just wanted the bootcamp tally.
So thats 7 now in 12 days, bit behind my target as i said i'd do 15 in the same time walden took on his week 4, which is 16 days- need to do 2 a day now to achieve that.
Reckon thats possible though if i really make an effort. Reckon i need to get the balls to approach in more challenging situations - (bookshop is an easy one to start a convo in cos the books make an easy conversation starter, and you can move on easily if its not going well), for example girls who are sitting at a table eating, reading the paper or whatever, there are so many people who live away from the uni campus and have nothing better to do in gaps between lectures than just sit around in the uni bar or coffee shop, was talking to a mate about it today, were in the uni bar about half 3, he was like 'fvck theres some birds in here mate', i was like 'yeh we ought to put in some groundwork, rather than sitting here reading FHM'.
Anyway, more tomorrow, i intend to have at least 2 more to report, in line with my schedule.
 

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Yeah, those are good places to chat up some birds. Just give 'em a look and a smile, and if they smile back, have fun.
 

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Fresh Start, week 4

Ok, I've been away for a few days, got myself stuck in a rut trying to get the tallies i'd targetted myself and ended up not completing the week as i'd targetted.
Have decided that my latest attempt at week 4 has gone on far too long, and so i'm starting it afresh. Bit frustrating in a way cos its 2 months now since i started bootcamp and i'm now making a fresh attempt at week 4. Also cos i need to rack up a fair few more numbers in order to be able to begin week 5.
Have decided to count day 1 as today, since i've already got off the mark . Was an unusual situation, i was in the laundrette very late tonight (like about midnight) having forgotten to do my washing all weekend before realising i had no clean clothes to wear. Was just sitting there reading the paper waiting for my clothes to wash, this nice looking girl came in (HB8). Nobody else was in there at this time, i started a convo (think i said 'its so boring waiting int it') and we started a real good convo, got on really well, came as a bit of a shock when i realised my washing was done and that we'd been chatting non stop for about 20 minutes. She was really smiley and friendly and i quite fancied her, she had a fairly low cut top on too that was showing her cleavage, she had really nice pert breasts, i couldn't take my eyes off them. Especially since i watched this porno months ago with this bird being seduced in a laundrette, had become a minor sexual fantasy for me. Obviously i knew it would be inappropriate to have a crack there and then, i'm not that stupid, but i made sure i got her number when i left, she willingly gave me it with a big smile.
Thats a number i'll definately make sure to call, i liked her a lot.
In the last few days that i didn't post for, I did still make a few approaches. One of them, i really kicked myself for not getting the number, was this bird in the uni bookshop, she was hot HB8.5 to the neutral prob, but with just about everything i go for in a bird, she was Asian (thats a plus for me, as you'll know if you've read my whole thread), great curvy body with a great a$$ to grab hold of, plus she was Northern like me (thats a plus for me, especially at uni, which is 90% southerners) with a lovely bubbly personality, chatted for about 5-10 minutes, got on really well, felt we'd really clicked, there were loads of people around in the bookshop who i could tell were listening in to the convo, and i chickened out of getting the number cos of this. Kicked myself hard afterwards, know i should have got it regardless.
Another good one was this bird in one of my classes, had noticed her before, she's hot, started chatting to her as we came out of class and then throughout the 10 minute walk to where we were going, detected high IL off her tho wouldn't say we clicked so much as with the bird i described before, her mate joined us about halfway through, made sure to chat with her too. Didn't go for the number at the end with her mate being there, not a big deal with her though cos shes in 3 of my lectures so i can esaily see her again.
Did few other minor approaches too but ive not really time to detail them all now.
Incidentally, i decided to keep a count today of the number of girls i chatted to, even if it was only a short convo. Number turned out to be 10, 7 of which i knew previously.
Reason being that i reckon giving myself an easier target such as number of women talked to motivates me more than just a more daunting target of number of number closes, as it gives me a more relaxed approach. While at the same time, doing the 1st helps me accomplish the 2nd, if you see what i'm saying.
Anyway, its late, i need to sleep, while update again tomorrow
 

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if i dont want to ask for number, i go for email....make up some reason...and say..hey, do you have email and ill send the ????? to you...and then youve got an in.....
ps... i reckon your from bradford or huddersfield?
 

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ps... i reckon your from bradford or huddersfield?
lol, everybody reckons i'm from West Yorkshire, makes me laugh that someone online whos never heard me speak guesses the same thing, i actually come from Hull, but have lived in the North West for a few years, my accents a bit fvcked up!

Yeah, those are good places to chat up some birds. Just give 'em a look and a smile, and if they smile back, have fun.
I've started trying a couple of coffee shop/ uni bar approaches actually, been going about it in a different way to what everyone suggests though, instead of going up to where their sitting, saying 'is this seat taken?' then sitting down with them, (i.e. being real direct about it), i've been sitting down at the next table with the paper/ some food, and then start a convo from there. Obviously, this takes less balls and it isn't as blatent that you're trying to chat them up, it means that you can start a convo more easily and naturally though, while avoiding looking a bit silly if the convo doesn't go well.

Bootcamp today: today was a funny day, been pretty tired all day after an early start this morning, but made a real effort to talk to girls as i went about my business, and had no shortage of balls starting convos. None of the convos went on long enough to allow me to go for a number though, i think i need to really work on keeping convos going even if they seem to be flagging a bit.

Went out to the students union tonight. Having not racked up any bootcamp tallies today, i decided to make up for it by staying sober and trying to get some tallies there (i don't count numbers i get when ive been drinking). For some reason i can't explain though, i've lost all my balls approaching birds in a nightclub environment, even though i feel like ive got confidence in abundance in the daytime. Been the same last couple of times ive been out too. Anyway offer me any explanation?
Didn't help at all that i really didn't enjoy the night - was a bit too tired and an incident early on put me in a seriously foul mood. Basically, was on the dance floor early on, the place was absolutely crammed, you could hardly move. Don't know if it was cos i was sober that i noticed it more but there seemed to be so many people just behaving like cvnts, barging their way through, dancing into people etc, and i was getting a bit annoyed. Then there was this group of about 6-8 lads jumping up and down manically in a huddle barging into people all the time, there was no room as it was, people were getting knocked about all over the place, they'd already knocked some people over when one of them jumped into me and barged me nearly to the floor, the red mist came down completely, i jumped up, grabbed this bloke by his shirt collar and neck, was shouting 'i'll fvcking kill you you w@nker', i was ready to put his lights out, i think my mates dragged me off him and took me off into the other room. I'm generally very laid back, not aggressive at all, but i was absolutely seething at this point and in a foul mood for the rest of the night, i couldn't make myself approach birds, i was too psyched up and angry to talk to anyone, only really calmed down since i've been back in my room, the incident really spoilt the night for me.
Anyway, more tomorrow, thats 1 in 2 days thus far.
I've just read through that actually , i must sound like a right psycho to anyone reading it!
 
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